Article: 19001 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!in-news.erinet.com!usenet From: tgrafx@erinet.com (Stephen Thorn) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: shutting down Modeler from within Layout Date: Wed, 08 May 96 02:28:55 GMT Organization: Thorn Grafx Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: eri.erinet.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] On 5/6/96 3:16PM, in message , Stuart Ferguson wrote: > > > This is consistent with the "E" and "T" buttons in Layout. You > can remove an envelope or texture by shift-clicking the "E" or "T" > buttons without having to enter the panel. > -- > Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) > "How do you compute that? Where on the > graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" I really, really, really, wish I had known this tip long ago.. I think this is one for the archives (since I couldn't find it in the manual... but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not there,.. you know, the brain damage thing.) -- S.A. Thorn Thorn Grafx http://www.erinet.com/tgrafx Article: 19002 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.crosslink.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!inquo!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 07 May 96 03:49:12 -500 Organization: - Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1120.6701T229T631@mbox200.swipnet.se> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup115-7-2.swipnet.se NNTP-Posting-User: 3a9622cd6c88f300a7e6b08629051e1a X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* >I agree. I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of >my LW dongle. It is NOT trasparant like they say. I had to make a decision >of what was more valuable to me, LW or the QC. So my QC is sitting on the >self in its box. It really sucks that I had to make that decision. I >REALLY shoudn't have to. Some people will say "buy another parallel port >card". That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I >shouldn't be expected to spend. Dongles suck! Their ineffectiveness is >demonstrated everyday with every "need lightwave crack" message posted. I'd >rather LW just go w/ serial numbers instead. The fucking pirates will get >their cracked copies of LW regardless. Let's focus on the USER not the >stinkin' pirates. Somekind of problem using a switchbox? Örebro Videoreklam - We sell Amiga/DraCo products! -------------------------------------------------- Videoproductions - 3D graphics - Renderservice Nonlinear editing - Vlab Motion/Toccata/DraCo/Amiga Tel/fax +46-(0)19-123807 - videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se Article: 19003 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.crosslink.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!inquo!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 07 May 96 03:53:11 -500 Organization: - Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1865.6701T233T562@mbox200.swipnet.se> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup115-7-2.swipnet.se NNTP-Posting-User: 3a9622cd6c88f300a7e6b08629051e1a X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* >>I agree. I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of >my LW dongle. It is >NOT trasparant like they say. I had to make a decision > of what was more valuable to me, LW or the >QC. So my QC is sitting on the >self in its box. It really sucks that I had to make that >decision. I >REALLY shoudn't have to. Some people will say "buy another parallel port >card". >>That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I shouldn't be >expected to spend. >Dongles suck! Their ineffectiveness is demonstrated >everyday with every "need lightwave crack" >message posted. I'd rather LW >just go w/ serial numbers instead. The fucking pirates will get >their >cracked copies of LW regardless. Let's focus on the USER not the stinkin' >pirates.>-- >>Bryant Reif >>mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu >>http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant >The dongle makes pirating more difficult. It slows the process some. How do you figure this? Pirates simply removes the calls to the dongle. It would be smarter to put so much protection into the software that it becomes VERY difficult and time consuming to remove it. >I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" >of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use >dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at >what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people >get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel >port. What's wrong with a switchbox? Örebro Videoreklam - We sell Amiga/DraCo products! -------------------------------------------------- Videoproductions - 3D graphics - Renderservice Nonlinear editing - Vlab Motion/Toccata/DraCo/Amiga Tel/fax +46-(0)19-123807 - videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se Article: 19004 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.crosslink.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!inquo!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW4-dongle for Amiga Date: 07 May 96 03:56:58 -500 Organization: - Lines: 21 Message-ID: <569.6701T236T2917@mbox200.swipnet.se> References: <210.6700T94T1928@studio42.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup115-7-2.swipnet.se NNTP-Posting-User: 3a9622cd6c88f300a7e6b08629051e1a X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* >I just placed my order for LW 4 on Amiga and was wondering if the Amiga >version as well uses a dongle in the parallell port? >Just so I know if I should start looking for extra parallell ports or >not. >/Johan Sure does! Get a switchbox. Johan Otterstrom Örebro Videoreklam - We sell Amiga/DraCo products! -------------------------------------------------- Videoproductions - 3D graphics - Renderservice Nonlinear editing - Vlab Motion/Toccata/DraCo/Amiga Tel/fax +46-(0)19-123807 - videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se Article: 19005 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.crosslink.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!inquo!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: [AMIGA] Changing screen mode of Layout Date: 07 May 96 04:01:38 -500 Organization: - Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1229.6701T241T1907@mbox200.swipnet.se> References: <4m2vim$s9c@storm.cycor.ca> <752.6694T815T1520@mbox200.swipnet.se><4m7jsv$5dk@storm.cycor.ca> <1772.6697T861T1955@mbox200.swipnet.se> <1140.6699T934T133@mt-inc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup115-7-2.swipnet.se NNTP-Posting-User: 3a9622cd6c88f300a7e6b08629051e1a X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* >On 03-May-96 14:21:39, Johan Otterstrom (videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se) >posted: >> (snip) CybergraphX is the defacto RTG >> standard for the Amiga, supporting 8 differnt graphicsboards already >> including Altais on the DraCo. >CybergraphX is not any kind of standard at all. There just plain aren't any >'standards' outside of the Amiga native chipset. CybergraphX is probably >the most popular of the third-party graphics card drivers for the Amiga. I >use it myself, and like it a lot. But to call it a 'standard' is just not >accurate. >Regards, >John Crookshank >MicroTech Well it's the closest thing we got to a 24-bit standard on the Amiga and it's supposed to be native on Power-PC, so why not support it NOW! I hate rinning LW in native when I have a very capable card (Piccolo Sd-64). Other 3D packages already supports it. And people who have the cash to get LightWave can surely afford to get a board. Örebro Videoreklam - We sell Amiga/DraCo products! -------------------------------------------------- Videoproductions - 3D graphics - Renderservice Nonlinear editing - Vlab Motion/Toccata/DraCo/Amiga Tel/fax +46-(0)19-123807 - videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se Article: 19006 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.crosslink.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!inquo!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: [AMIGA] Changing screen mode of Layout Date: 07 May 96 04:10:35 -500 Organization: - Lines: 43 Message-ID: <1852.6701T250T1776@mbox200.swipnet.se> References: <4m2vim$s9c@storm.cycor.ca><752.6694T815T1520@mbox200.swipnet.se><4m7jsv$5dk@storm.cycor.ca><1772.6697T861T1955@mbox200.swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup115-7-2.swipnet.se NNTP-Posting-User: 3a9622cd6c88f300a7e6b08629051e1a X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* >videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) wrote: >> >will improve in V5. Thanks to NewTek >> >> NewTek? As far as I know this is made by a third party company! It's hardly >We are talking about differnet things. The fact that Modeler & Layout >can run on CyberGfx screens now (V4) is because Newtek made it work. It >failed miserably in V3.5, but works (although it could be better) in V4. >You are talking about the CyberGfx render module, I think. >> "full" CybergraphX support. I whish NewTek could stop sucking up to PC >> users, just for a moment, and implement full CybergraphX support to >> LightWave. It's a joke that you have to put up with native display on >Me too. But market realities are market realities, and we Amiga users >are in the tiny minority, and one that is declining steadily. It >probably isn't worth while for them to spend much time on the Amiga >version to do it "right". Count your blessings that they haven't >abandoned us entirely. If that's their attitude I don't need 'em! There are other 3D packages around. Have a look at Cine4D (CybergraphX) got the better testresults than LightWave 4.0. LW4.0 gets a bif - sign for lack of CybergraphX support in major Amiga magazine tests. I spoke to Nova who bought Aladdin4D recently and they promised a reworked layout and full support for CGX. It can also do cool gas stuff. It will be released in the last quarter this year. If LW5.0 for Amiga doesn't support CybergraphX I'm bailing out! If they can't do it properly the might aswell drop it. Örebro Videoreklam - We sell Amiga/DraCo products! -------------------------------------------------- Videoproductions - 3D graphics - Renderservice Nonlinear editing - Vlab Motion/Toccata/DraCo/Amiga Tel/fax +46-(0)19-123807 - videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se Article: 19007 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news From: themaxx@tezcat.com (Karl Sjostedt) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 02:51:02 GMT Organization: 2f productions Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4mp26m$1td@tepe.tezcat.com> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: themaxx.tezcat.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article , wturber@primenet.comTurbervilleIII says... >The dongle makes pirating more difficult. It slows the process some. >I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" >of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use >dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at >what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people >get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel port. > I DO understand if the issue is that they are running out of IRQs though. > >I understand that the dongle causes (at times) very significant problems. But >I don't understand how so many people can consider the protection of LW by >NewTek to be such a minor problem. The real solution is for NewTek to get >Sentinel to provide them a dongle that is RELIABLE! Better yet, how about >reliable AND actually able to act as a passthru. > > >Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com >Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber >http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber A Dongle is one of the easier type of copy-protections to break (or so I am led to believe). the crack for lw4.0 came out within days of its release and so I wouldn't agree that it slows down the pirate distributors enough to justify the problems that ANY dongle presents. Furthermore, since NewTek were so slow in their initial distribution of LW4.0, I received my bought copy long after the cracked version was out. From doing a little checking around I found that the dongle crack is actually just one very small file that works with a regular copy of LW so no hacking into the actual program is needed. So not only is the dongle-crack easy to distribute, it does not adversely affect the running of the actual program. To say that a dongle is even remotely effective in slowing or stopping software piracy is absolutely ludicrous. And we all know that the dongle does cause problems in people's systems (mine included, even with just my printer sometimes), plus it costs money, it is possible to loose it, or have it stolen. And NewTek apparently won't replace lost or stolen dongles. I don't think the "build a better dongle" idea would work since I have yet to hear about a dongle for any software actually working like it should without one or many of the same problems that the LW dongle has. NewTek should just admit it was a stupid idea to begin with and remove the offending code from their otherwise very cool program. -But that's just my opinion... -karl Article: 19008 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.crosslink.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ns2.mainstreet.net!sloth.swcp.com!usenet From: bogle@swcp.com () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Need System Help - Pentium Pro? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 03:33:31 GMT Organization: Southwest Cyberport Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4mp4sn$470@sloth.swcp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp103.swcp.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I am looking to getting into LW and am wondering what a good system would be. I want something that isn't going to be out of date in the next month or two. I am considering a Pentium Pro machine running a 200mHz processor. Is there a better system that I should be looking at? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!! Article: 19009 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!news.sri.ucl.ac.be!news.belnet.be!swsbe6.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news.pi.net!news From: marcel Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: lightwave irc Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 03:03:21 +0200 Organization: digital animations Lines: 1 Message-ID: <318FF2D9.49E7@pi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ape21.pi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) i cant get the lightwave irc can someone help with it thnx Article: 19010 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!news.sri.ucl.ac.be!news.belnet.be!swsbe6.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news.pi.net!news From: marcel Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: lightwave irc Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 03:03:58 +0200 Organization: digital animations Lines: 1 Message-ID: <318FF2FE.3C8C@pi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ape21.pi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) i cant get the lightwave irc can someone help with it thnx Article: 19011 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: achan@ix.netcom.com(Alan Chan ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 7 May 1996 19:59:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4moa3u$kkl@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <318B253F.25FC@montreal.com> <4mj9hk$6bu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: whx-ca1-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 07 2:59:58 PM CDT 1996 In bill_l@magicnet.net (Bill Leonard) writes: > >LW doesn't have the speed... and if you get more machines to stack up, >that blurs the whole cost thing. > >Bill Leonard - bill_l@magicnet.net >cyber.lab g.f.x. >Orlando, Florida Will somebody please tell this guy what a DEC Alpha is, I'm too tired to bother. Article: 19012 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: UK Software Reviewing Under Fire (Was: journos snubbed again!) Date: 8 May 1996 01:16:16 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mpan0$agc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I know Donetta - the former marketing director - knows Phil. Phil is well known, and he's been a REAL friend of NewTek. Sadly, NewTek marketing sucks. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19013 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeeder.servtech.com!murphy2.servtech.com!news From: Paul Perri Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: FS Amiga/PAR Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 01:12:56 -0400 Organization: ServiceTech, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <31902D58.5246@servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kid.roc.servtech.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) A3000 w/040 card, 25mhz 2chip, 10fast ram, 3.1 roms $1150 Picasso II 24 bit Graphics card $300. Hitachi made 20" VGA .31dp 31.5 Khz Color Monitor 350. A3000 25 mhz, 2chip 4fast $500. Commodore 1950 Multisync Color Monitor $250. Commodore 1080 Color Monitor $100. DPS Amiga PAR boardw/Micropolis 1.7GB HD 1800. Article: 19014 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Wed, 08 May 96 06:44:13 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-so-ca-25.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35330 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19014 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16261 On 5/7/96 12:16AM, in message <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Steph Greenberg wrote: > : to use an SGI. And how evil is SGI? After all, as soon as they bought out > : Alias they scuttled the Alias NT port AFTER IT WAS ALREADY DONE just > : because they wanted to protect their doomed computer market. > > Um, I know people who program at Alias. They couldn't do an NT port until > Maya is done. That level of effort would make no sense until Alias has the > fat trimmed out of its code, since only the fastest and most expensive NT > machines would be adaquate. Before SGI acquired them, they wouldn't have had > the resources to split their development team up. Disney had the NT port already before it was cancelled--they might still have it actually. It exists. We just had a rep in last week and we were discussing it. > > I mean, on a much simpler program on a much simpler OS, it took a long time > for Newtek to port to the PC for the first time. Softimage was ported to NT > with a craftily hacked IRIX emulator, under a direct mandate from the parent > company. > It took about three months or so to get the first beta of NT LW out. -- -=Fred=- Article: 19015 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: Wed, 08 May 96 06:52:16 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4llha9$89r@netaxs.com> <4lsf3u$3t3@news.paonline.com> <4ltloa$1f7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4m1afm$7gs@news.paonline.com> <4m1nuh$1nc@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4m3a9c$23p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <318683C8.167E@pixar.com> <4mdrn5$4km@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-so-ca-25.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] On 5/7/96 1:55AM, in message , Bill Leonard wrote: > LW is "the best hobbiests 3D tool" but for real production film work, > sorry, you need more speed, and sure, you can toss more Amiga's at it or > what not, but thehn that blurs the whole (artificial) price advantage, > doesn't it? > > Bill Leonard - bill_l@magicnet.net > cyber.lab g.f.x. > Orlando, Florida Hey Bill, my hobby is doing visual effects for major motion pictures using Lightwave 3D. Bet my hobby's better than yours. -- -=Fred=- Digital Domain Article: 19016 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Bryant Reif Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 23:07:00 -0400 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <31900FD4.77A6@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318F5A2D.2BD@cyberoptics.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc045110.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) Nate Hayes wrote: > > Larry J. Jacobs wrote: > > Where would I be if every software manufacturer decided to protect > > their copyrights via the DONGLE! It's a cheap-charlie solution at the expense > > of the legitimate user. The thiefs still end up with it because nuttin's > > uncrackable! The providers need a more elegant solution. > > > > I agree: re: dongles. > > My copy of Martin Hash's 3D Animation has a unique copy protection > system that doesn't require a dongle: you have to have the CD-ROM loaded > when you first start the program. If you don't, the program won't start. > If you do, the program starts and then you can replace the CD-ROM with > any other CD-ROM you want. > > I really like this method of copy protection vrs. having a dongle. > > Nate Yup, I had mentioned this before on the NG, but all I got was "but I wanna listen to CD's when I use LW!", and "whatta pain to have to fish out the LW CD every time I want to use it." But until Rain-blows Technologies can make a *transparant" dongle, this should be NT's solution to piracy. Yes I know CD burners are going down in price, but they are still expensive enough that most "casual" users don't have access to them. Couldn't they place a "secret" byte-code somewhere at the beginning of the CD that contains a serial number? -- Bryant Reif mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant Article: 19017 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Bryant Reif Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 23:17:18 -0400 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <3190123E.78BB@pilot.msu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc045110.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) fwtep@earthlink.net wrote: > > On 5/6/96 1:14AM, in message , Mark Dunakin > wrote: > > > P.S. The only thing that I can figure, is that the dongle people MUST be a > > bunch of liberals, or something. Why else would they want to cram something > > down everyone else's throught, JUST because THEY think it's RIGHT ? > > > > sorry if I'm tooo rude, but I've had it with LightWave problems.... > > I just want to get to work, and can't!!! > > > > Nowhere in my post did I say that I love the dongle idea, nor do I think I've > seen it posted by anyone else. What I have said, however, is that I haven't > had any problems or malfunctions in using it. I can't understand why people > here seem to be having so many problems. I have two dongles and five parallel > devices hooked up to one card via switchbox and they all work fine. I'm not > saying that it's impossible to have problems, but I think at least *some* of > the people here must be doing something wrong. All I gotta do to get LW to screw up is plug my QuickCam into the back of the dongle. I don't even have to load the drivers for it, just simply plug it in. That doesn't leave much room for "human error". > As for the need for copy protection, I see plenty of people complaining about > the new prices and upgrade prices; well imagine what those prices would be > without the dongle as protection! The dongle might not stop professional > pirates for very long, but it does a very good job of stopping casual > pirates--the cracked versions don't work right, or will not continue to work > right because of all the layers of protection. With a market as small as > Lightwave's, ANY small amount of piracy can have a major impact on revenues, > and this hurts ALL OF US. Not just in prices, but in features too. If the > alternative to dongles (or whatever) is that Lightwave dies and I can never get > new versions any more, then I'll live with the dongles. They may not be > perfect, but none of the alternatives are either. I don't think it's fair that > I have to pay taxes either but I do and I live with it. The world isn't fair. > Is that news to anyone? Get over it already. Well no one can argue with that! Besides who's more responsible? NT or Rainbow Tech.? It seems to me that Rainbow Tech makes the blasted things, and all LW does is "call" the code imprinted on it. If by plugging something in the back causes it to malfunction then let's all go kick RT's ass. And maybe NT should look into a competitor's product if RT can't get the job done. Or are they worse? > By the way, aren't YOU trying to cram the anti-dongle crap down our throats > just as much as we're cramming the pro-dongle crap? Actually it's the LW *user* that is on the recieving end of the cramming, and it isn't down the throats! > -- > -=Fred=- -- Bryant Reif mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant Article: 19018 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Bryant Reif Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 23:32:13 -0400 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <319015BD.528F@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4mnrfb$1c4l@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc045110.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) gms2@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > I'll agree with Noam, here. IRIX is just a fancy version of Unix, and NT is a > rather decent OS, especially considering it comes from the same people who > brought us Win95. And NT has yet to reach its full potential. Win95's interface is good enough reason to use 95 in spite of the other faults. When NT 4.0 is released we will finally have an OS of real merit to put on a PC! (Linux gets an honorable mention.) -- Bryant Reif mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant Article: 19019 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: Wed, 08 May 96 07:02:09 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4llha9$89r@netaxs.com> <4lsf3u$3t3@news.paonline.com> <4ltloa$1f7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4m1afm$7gs@news.paonline.com> <4m1nuh$1nc@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4m3a9c$23p@nnrp1.news.primene <4mo1ar$e78@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mocdd$84e@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-so-ca-25.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] On 5/7/96 1:39PM, in message <4mocdd$84e@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Noam Ben-Ami wrote: > LW is certainly capable of incredible work. Ok, the best Alias stuff I've seen > is significantly than the best LW stuff. 90% of the reason for this, though, > is that those alias-generated animations are done on massive budgets, by > highly paid animators working on extremely capable, extremely expensive > hardware, with significant support from other artists and programmers. > No, the difference is that the good stuff you see coming out of ILM had the luxury of TIME. The animators doing Space:AaB, seaQuest RIP, B5, Hercules, etc., are pumping out more than one shot per week per animator--often as many as four shots per week per animator. In features you get as much as TWELVE WEEKS PER SHOT (averaging at 4-6 weeks)! It doesn't take much brain power to realize that this much time translates to more polished work. -- -=Fred=- Article: 19020 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Need System Help - Pentium Pro? Date: 8 May 1996 06:15:29 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4mpe61$fnn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4mp4sn$470@sloth.swcp.com> Reply-To: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu bogle@swcp.com () writes: >I am looking to getting into LW and am wondering what a good system >would be. I want something that isn't going to be out of date in the >next month or two. I am considering a Pentium Pro machine running a >200mHz processor. Is there a better system that I should be looking >at? >Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!! I'm afraid that if you want a computer system that isn't going to be outdated in a month or two, then you must buy it in two months. Thats life. Anyway, a PPro@200MHz is a fine beast, and will plow yer fields, make ye coffee, and tend yer wee ones, all while rendering yer graphics right quickly. Better, is, as always, in the eyes of the beholder. If you want pure rendering oomph (thats the technical term) then a 433 or, later, a 500MHz Alpha, or, later, a 1,000MHz (1GHz) 21264 will completely blow the roof off of a pentium pro, as well as most SGIs. Of course, the cost difference is pretty huge. -- Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers. http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY. Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon, Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio... Article: 19021 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.rmii.com!usenet From: stack@rmii.com (Steve Tack) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Any good explode/shatter/atomize plug-ins? Date: 8 May 1996 06:35:36 GMT Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4mpfbo$2e1@natasha.rmii.com> References: <4mjm6h$8jm@natasha.rmii.com> <4mjvn3$qtd@news2.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip1173.rmii.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 >That's all "explode.p" does, unfortunately. For something simple, you could >pick up the BML/RT (BML is a scripting language for Modeler, BML/RT is a >special run-time version that can run compiled BML scripts and is free) and >then look for "Exploder.bmc". This is a port of an Amiga ARexx Modeler macro >that will take a scene file as input, find the first object in the scene file >and explode it for you with various control elements to some degree. There's >another break-up and explode ARexx macro that can be "ported" to BML and I've >had intentions of doing that but am up to my eyeballs in programming at work. Thanks for the info! Yeah, I'm just looking for something simple for now. Two more questions, though: I assume these "compiled" BML scripts are independent of the platform (Amiga vs. Intel)? (I'm on an Intel box) Also, are these BML scripts hard to write? Sounds like you have to really know your 3D stuff. Steve Tack Article: 19022 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skellener@aol.com (Skellener) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 02:32:44 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mpf6c$ccb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: skellener@aol.com (Skellener) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35331 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19022 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16265 Yes Fred, exactly! Article: 19023 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skellener@aol.com (Skellener) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 02:45:47 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> Reply-To: skellener@aol.com (Skellener) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35332 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19023 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16266 Prediction: The next 5 years will see the decline of SGI workstations. Better cheaper software on cheaper workstations will always win out. Just look at what they come up with every year at SIGGRAPH. That's not to say ILM will stop using SGI's but look at what's being done now on PC's. Had SGI not bought Alias/Wavefront they'd already be gone. That is their strong hold...software...not hardware. Every year PC's get closer and closer and cheaper and cheaper to what people want SGI's for and SGI knows it. STEVE K. Article: 19024 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!news From: Phil Stopford Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 7 May 1996 22:27:18 GMT Organization: Oxford University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4moio6$p0n@news.ox.ac.uk> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlrcr$f33@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: corinna.jesus.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35334 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19024 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16268 I've used Imagine since version 2 and what you are claiming is quite true in some aspects - the very large procedural texture library supplied WITH the program (Lightwave is only just starting, 3D Studio really needs to get it's act together) AND the effects that are bundled (explosions, starfields, rotation, etc.). I've yet to figure out how to do some of this in 3D Studio. However, Imagine doesn't allow you to tile map except on flat objects which is a major problem which has been in existence as long as the program. Personally, as one who used Imagine since version 2 and has kept up with it up to and including its present version, I find 3D Studio much better at processing large objects (virtual RAM may be sloow, but it gets the job done), but Imagine has yet to be beat for those very cool, low memory textures. For $200 it really cannot be beat and will run (albeit without virtual memory) in 8Mb of RAM. I'd like to see one of those SGI packages though ....... Phil. Article: 19025 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!xs4all!hell!richard Date: Mon, 06 May 96 10:05:57 GMT+1 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Distribution: world Subject: Do I need EDO ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: richard@hell.xs4all.nl (Richard Willkomm) Message-ID: Organization: -=The Hell BBS=- Call: +31-70-3468783 Lines: 18 Hello 5.0 lovers. Can someone tell me if a Pentium system with 256/512 Pipelined burst cache is faster/slower as the same system with EDO-RAM ?? Is there a noticable difference with EDO ?? I figured that since you already have the Pipelined Cache there's really no need to add more cache in the form of EDO-RAM. #--------------------|---------------------------------------------# # ###### #### | Richard Willkomm --- Digital illusions --- # # ## ## ## | Gfx Co-Sysop The Hell BBS The Hague Holland # # ## ## ## | +31-70-3468783 # # ## ## ## | e-mail : richard@hell.xs4all.nl # # ###### #### | ++++++ ' KINK-FM rulez ' ++++++ # #--------------------|---------------------------------------------# -- Via Xenolink 1.982, XenolinkUUCP 1.1 Article: 19026 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 08:02:41 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4mpkf1$l1m@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35335 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19026 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16269 skellener@aol.com (Skellener) writes: >Prediction: >The next 5 years will see the decline of SGI workstations. Better cheaper >software on cheaper workstations will always win out. Just look at what >they come up with every year at SIGGRAPH. That's not to say ILM will stop >using SGI's but look at what's being done now on PC's. Had SGI not bought >Alias/Wavefront they'd already be gone. That is their strong >hold...software...not hardware. Every year PC's get closer and closer and >cheaper and cheaper to what people want SGI's for and SGI knows it. Look folks, enough of this stupid BS, all right? SGI isn't going anywhere close to /dev/null anytime soon. Yes, PCs are a much better value. Yes, PCs are getting closer. However, you can't get the incredibly robust, powerful software that is available on SGIs on PCs. Period. Prism's stuff, Discrete Logic's stuff, all the scientific visualization work, the parallel compilers, the supercomputer technology, the robust operating system, the wide product line, the supercomputers and transaction processing machines. What more, their MIPS division is doing really well. I think that SGI stands to lose a big chunk of the animation market, and soon, if they don't realize that a dinky R5000 Indy just can't cut, esp. not at the price point. SGI is famous for being adaptive and fast, and I don't think they'll give up this market without a vicious fight. We all stand to gain. -- Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers. http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY. Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon, Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio... Article: 19027 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 04:02:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mpkes$drn@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ------------------------------------------ "...the right LightWave artist, > and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING - > the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget." So what do you mean? ---------------------------------------- I meant what I said. Look, a budget is budget. The right LW artist(s) will do the same job as the Alias artists for the same money. The difference? The LW people KEEP more money. Could they do the same job for less? Almost without question. But why tell the client that? You want to TAKE that money. Why give it away? The machines cost doesn't blur things - a LW farm is ten of thousands (at LEAST) less than an Alias farm. And, despite all the talk about how much money LW animators make, there is a lot of CHEAP good LightWave talent out there - an important budget consideration.... _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19028 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 04:03:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mpkgo$ds2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hey Fred - time IS budget. Trust me.... _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19029 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!bt!usenet From:  scs@oyster. (Stuart Smith) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Settings for 60fps on Miro DC-20? Date: 8 May 1996 08:22:18 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4mpljq$ra@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> References: <3185aed2.829156@nntp.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oyster.zoo.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) palevich@palevich.com (Jack Palevich) wrote: >I don't know if you ever got an answer to your question. > >I got the Miro DC20 to output clean 60fps by doing this: ->(2) I rendered to tga files. >(3) I loaded the tga sequence into Premiere >(4) I set the file clip to be "Maintain Aspect Ratio". >(5) I used the "DC20 High Resolution - TV Clip" preset. > >The two things that seemed the trickiest were to check the "Reverse >Fields" checkbox in Lightwave, and to set the "Maintain Aspect Ratio" >for the clip. I had similar problems with my Fast F60. I also have to reverse the fields. This I thought was due to NTSC showing them in odd/even rather than even/odd... Anyway, the only step I'd say was a bit of overkill was rendering out targas. These tend to be massive, and are really not needed. If you render out JPGS, you'll save a FORTUNE in HD space. Remember that the MJPEG compression is far more lossy than a JPG. So you gain nothing by using targas. Obviously there is the slight problem that Premiere 4 (and 4.2 come to that) can't input jpgs as image sequences, only as directories (which is slooooww). VideoStudio does though (came with card), and that works a treat. Stu Article: 19030 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: 5.0 Intel install oddities Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <4mn2du$7ih@nntp.crl.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:25:08 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: shf@netcom4.netcom.com +-- rci@crl.com (Michael Powell) writes: | BTW, what happened to the 32-bit vs. 16-bit content directories? Since we no longer support Win3.x, short file name content is no longer necessary. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" Article: 19031 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!not-for-mail From: danad@mpx.com.au (V Teahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Sparks Crashing under 95! Date: 8 May 1996 09:33:32 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4mpppc$r45@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.mpx.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hi, Ive just installed sparks and I am having troubles with it. I was using Rev. C of lightwave 4.0 under windows 95. It works fine unless you want to collide the sparks with an object. When it builds the BSP it crashes and has a page fault. Now the mysterious thing is that the example scenes build fine and dont crash. Any thoughts? did any body over come this problem or is there a Patch, by the way Im using Intel Sparks. I installed the original version of Lightwave again and it still crashed... Please I would appreciate some help :) -- ************************* * Dana Drury * ************************* * Zoso Dragon * * -===(UDIC)===- * * Atonement Software * ************************* -(0)-http://www.zip.com.au/~dana-(0)- _ ___ _ _ ||-|\ /|-|\|\|-|||\| ||_| > / |_|/|/| ||| | |__|/ /____| | |_|_| | Article: 19032 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: snouty@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Phil South") Subject: Re: Convert Bitmap - *.lwo Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:13:39 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol32 Lines: 16 > Phil South wrote: > > > and being a bear of very little brain > > A. A. Milne references, a hallmark of parenthood. 'Fraid so. And if you are in the UK, Thomas the Tank Engine and Power Rangers become common currency too. :?) --- ------------------------------------------------------------- Phil South "nuqDaq yuch Dapol" Home Page http://www.webscape.co.uk/phil/ Webscape Ltd http://www.webscape.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19033 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.inap.net!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: LonerSam Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 4 manuals repetitive Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 13:18:26 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <318FB012.24B6@ix.netcom.com> References: <960405235211934@FrontierTech.COM> <318E93BC.73D9@hypertec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca39-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 07 3:20:02 PM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; U) Mark Midolla wrote: > > Tony Lisanti wrote: > > > > I find the manuals in lightwave Could have been done differently. Thy describe > > each tool, option so on and tell you what effect it has. Then at the end of the > > book, it shows you tutorals. What I think they should have done was : Describe > > options,give example, do short tutoral. This would make it easier for poeple > > that are beginners. > > I think the User and Ref manuals repeat it each other too much. > Just take the appendix from the Ref manual and put it in the User's Manual. > Then make the User's manual spiral bound so it sits flat on a desk. > Then add a few more tuts to it. > > Mark That is it. I want to add that there are quite a lot of grammer and spelling mistakes too. :o LSam -- *************************************** "Is it Wrong to be Delirious in Love?" lonersam@ix.netcom.com lonersam@aol.com *************************************** Article: 19034 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!logica.co.uk!diablo.logica.co.uk!user From: oxleyd@logica.co.uk (David Oxley) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Do I need EDO ?? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 12:28:50 +0100 Organization: Logica UK Ltd Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.22.79 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b4 In article , richard@hell.xs4all.nl (Richard Willkomm) wrote: >Can someone tell me if a Pentium system with 256/512 Pipelined >burst cache is faster/slower as the same system with EDO-RAM ?? >Is there a noticable difference with EDO ?? According to magazine articles, EDO RAM is about 2% faster than non-EDO. Also, it's enough to have 256K PB cache; 512K doesn't give any significant improvement over 256K, but both give ~28% improvement over none at all. Regards, |David Oxley, Logica UK|SH5/HR 75 Hampstead Rd|+44 171 6379111x1800| | |London NW1 2PL England|+44 171 3443633(fax)| `----------------------^----------------------^--------------------' All opinions expressed are mine not Logica's. http://www.logica.com/ Article: 19035 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news From: kharmel@Direct.CA (Kurt Harmel) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 4 manuals repetitive Date: 8 May 1996 12:44:51 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mq503$lb8@orb.direct.ca> References: <960405235211934@FrontierTech.COM> <318E93BC.73D9@hypertec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: van-pm-0110.direct.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 In article <318E93BC.73D9@hypertec.com.au>, Mark Midolla says: > >Tony Lisanti wrote: >> >> I find the manuals in lightwave Could have been done differently. Thy describe >> each tool, option so on and tell you what effect it has. Then at the end of the >> book, it shows you tutorals. What I think they should have done was : Describe >> options,give example, do short tutoral. This would make it easier for poeple >> that are beginners. >> I think the User and Ref manuals repeat it each other too much. >Just take the appendix from the Ref manual and put it in the User's Manual. >Then make the User's manual spiral bound so it sits flat on a desk. >Then add a few more tuts to it. > >Mark I sure would rather have spiral bound books, than the cheap binding they've beem giving us. I'd pay extra for that! Article: 19036 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: MDLR Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Animators for Boston area Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 08:42:12 +0000 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31905E64.129E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool002.max20.boston.ma.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Looking for 3D animators to work in Boston area. Software: 3DStudio, 3DStudio MAX, Lightwave, Softimage. Hardware: Pentiums and Alpha If you are interested send you resume to nim@tiac.net Article: 19037 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!snews.tcel.com!root From: pyrotek@tcel.com (Pyrotek) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: any suggestions for a soon-to-be owner of an NT machine Date: 7 May 1996 23:56:10 GMT Organization: Pyrotek Lines: 55 Message-ID: <4monuq$esq@challenge.tcel.com> References: <4ls3v0$njf@dewey.csun.edu> <3181AB41.48AD@sewelld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.236.102 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 Buy more ram, 64 megs at least, 128 if you can afford it In article <3181AB41.48AD@sewelld.com>, dave@sewelld.com says... > >emmanuel olympia wrote: >> >> hello, >> >> I am just about to buy a nt-pentium system to do some serious lw stuff. >> iF you have any tips, comments and suggestions so far as specs, what to >> buy, what not to buy, etc., pls. let me know. here is what I am planning >> to buy. >> >> p5-166mhz system >> 32 mb ram >> 2mb mpeg video card w/2 mb >> mid-tower >> 1.6 gb hd >> 4x cd-rom >> winnt >> win95 >> keyboard >> mouse >> >> I am going to pay probably around $1800-1900 for this. is this a good price? >> should I get a full tower. would I need that much space. >> can you recomment a good video card? >> >> thx for your comments. >> >> Emmanuel Olympia > >Looks like a decent system for a decent price. Just one comment. If NT is not >already installed and working on the system you are buying, make sure that all o >f >the components (video card, CD-ROM drive, etc.) are on the NT Hardware >Compatibility list. NT driver support is getting pretty good these days but the >re >are still things supported under DOS or Windows that aren't supported yet under >NT. >Could save you some grief. > >Dave >-- >Dave Sewell | Contract programming services. >Sewell Development Corp. | Windows NT, MFC, Visual C++. >dave@sewelld.com | 3D, OpenGL, VRML. Article: 19038 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!news.us.world.net!news.aus.world.net!usenet From: arki@world.net (Arki) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Mailing List Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 12:55:55 GMT Organization: AUSNet Services pty. ltd. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4mq9as$ot6@sydney1.world.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sydney60.world.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Can anyone help with the mailing list address? arki@world.net Article: 19039 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail From: Ken Geary Subject: NT Server problems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-User: (Unauthenticated) Reply-To: 174, Michael, Drive, Syosset, NY, 11791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ademco Message-ID: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: 831565586/10213 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wsn37.ademco.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:25:40 GMT Lines: 9 I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way deal? I just found out that the Appletalk protocol on NT Workstation is unusable and only there for developers. I am also looking into ALpha as a possible option and found out you can't use a scanner, any other limits? Is the loss of flexibility justified by render speed(2X or better than PentPro 200MHz)? Thanks. Article: 19040 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!decuac.dec.com!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!usenet From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Bob Rodgers) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 15:16:54 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4mqahd$5ot@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: annex12-17.dial.umd.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35343 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19040 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16283 skellener@aol.com (Skellener) wrote: >The next 5 years will see the decline of SGI workstations. Better cheaper >software on cheaper workstations will always win out. Just look at what >they come up with every year at SIGGRAPH. That's not to say ILM will stop >using SGI's but look at what's being done now on PC's. Had SGI not bought >Alias/Wavefront they'd already be gone. That is their strong >hold...software...not hardware. Every year PC's get closer and closer and >cheaper and cheaper to what people want SGI's for and SGI knows it. Nothing says that SGI can't alter their pricing structure. They have some real assets: name recognition, incredible in-house experience, high-end hardware, experience with low-end high-performance CPUs (via MIPS, the 5000, the 4200, etc.) and a steady cash flow. Furthermore, they have the single best animation package available on any platform (though SI is darn close, the SGI version anyway). Assuming that SGI will be gone in ten years because $90,000 machines just wont be marketable isn't meaningful. (One thing -- although scanline rendering is reaching a price-performance peak, and thus hurting SGI, the next realm -- real raytracing & photoreal rendering -- still requires ten to one hundred times the time and hardware for the same amount of output. An alternative to lower prices would be to work on hardware that raised the bar on output quality. HDTV may have the same effect.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rsrodger/home.htm (new & under construction) http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rsrodger/project.htm (project & tutorial !updated!) rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Article: 19041 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: instntguts@aol.com (InstntGuts) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 10:50:15 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqcb7$j10@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mmnmh$4pj@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: instntguts@aol.com (InstntGuts) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35344 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19041 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16284 As we all do a slow burn... Thanks for your message, Greg. Very good points. -- Jon Article: 19042 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: instntguts@aol.com (InstntGuts) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 10:50:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqcbs$j15@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: instntguts@aol.com (InstntGuts) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35345 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19042 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16285 Steph, a friend of mine mentioned that he heard the Justice Department had required SGI to (eventually) port Alias to another platform, as a condition of allowing the SGI/Alias/Wavefront deal. OTOH, I haven't read about this anywhere else. Do you know any details on this? Thanks. -- Jon Article: 19043 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.bconnex.net!clicnet!news.clic.net!mixnews2!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.interlink.net!Rezonet.net!Vir.com!usenet From: Jean-Eric Hénault Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Convert 3DS4 to Lightwave4.0 Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 22:41:02 -0400 Organization: Video S.E.P. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <318D66BE.2D53@montreal.com> References: <318CC5EE.71E@mail.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipdyne46.vir.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) To: Jose Alves da Silva Jose Alves da Silva wrote: > > HI, > > Can anyone tell me how can i convert 3DS meshes to Lightwave Objects and > vice-versa? > > Thanks for the help, > > Jose Easy... On the Intel version of LightWave Modeler, install the plug-in called Tran3D.p. Now, just load your model into LightWave... Voila... Jean-Eric Article: 19044 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.bconnex.net!clicnet!news.clic.net!mixnews2!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.interlink.net!Rezonet.net!Vir.com!usenet From: Jean-Eric Hénault Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 5.0 Arrives! Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 22:43:20 -0400 Organization: Video S.E.P. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <318D6748.38BF@montreal.com> References: <4mft2d$lk5@mercury.initco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipdyne46.vir.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) To: "Joseph J. Lawson" Joseph J. Lawson wrote: > > Well, a great package arrived for my birthday Friday... a nice white > upgrade package of Lightwave 5.0. It is an astonishing upgrade and I > am quite pleased with the purchase. > > The OpenGL is a feature I don't think I could live without, now, and > the cel shader is incredible (save for text with holes cut out of it > such as an 8... try it, you'll see what I mean). After a year of > 4.0, this is almost like having a new product. > > Lots more to play with, lots of experimenting to do before our first > trade show. Kudos, NewTek, I am one happy customer. > > Joe Lawson, MontAnimation I'm supposed to have my first look at it Tuesday, at my dealer's showroom. Tell me, how does Metanurb looks like ? Jean-Eric Hénault Animator Article: 19045 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.digex.net!access1.digex.net!erniew From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Speed Question Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:22:50 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <4l9r3g$bj9@news.electrotex.com> <4mafke$1hg6@mule2.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: erniew@access1.digex.net In-Reply-To: <4mafke$1hg6@mule2.mindspring.com> I'm about to make one of those "well, that's misleading" remarks in a benchmark post. I'll preface this by saying that benchmarks are just a variety of statistics, and if you're already familiar with how such things go astray, you can skip this without missing much. Re a 100 MHz Pentium vs. a Warp 040, Scott Bragg wrote: > If you have enough RAM to prevent the system from using the swap > file while rendering, then it will be 4-5 times faster. If you > hit the swap file, however, it's about the same to twice as fast. This is misleading for a couple of reasons. Performance degradation by factors of 2.5 to 4.0 will only occur if the memory requirements for the scene substantially exceed the amount of RAM in the machine. And under those conditions, the Amiga will either stop altogether, making it infinitely slower, or hit the virtual memory provided by a third party product, obviating any advantage. According to benchmark tests run by John Gross and Philip Hice and published about a year ago in LightWavePRO, a 100 MHz Pentium running Windows NT 3.51 with 32 megs of RAM will consistently render about 6 times faster than an Amiga 2000 with a 33 MHz Fusion Forty (68040). What's amazing to me is that my inexpensive 133 MHz Pentium is very likely more than half the speed of last year's 275 MHz 21064 Alphas. - Ernie Article: 19046 Path: news2.cais.com!djmccoy From: djmccoy@tcp.co.uk () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Any good explode/shatter/atomize plug-ins? Date: 8 May 1996 15:42:59 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4mqfe3$rng@news2.cais.com> References: <4mjm6h$8jm@natasha.rmii.com> <4mjvn3$qtd@news2.cais.com> <4mpfbo$2e1@natasha.rmii.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: molokai.pacificnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Steve Tack (stack@rmii.com) wrote: : Thanks for the info! Yeah, I'm just looking for something simple for now. : Two more questions, though: : I assume these "compiled" BML scripts are independent of the platform : (Amiga vs. Intel)? (I'm on an Intel box) BML and BML/RT are only available for Intel and Alpha so compiled scripts can run on both platforms with their respective BML/RT executable. : Also, are these BML scripts hard to write? Sounds like you have to really : know your 3D stuff. If you know a little Rexx or C/C++, BML should be easy enough to handle. I'm definately no rocket scientist nor do I have a firm grasp of geometry or much higher level math but I know what I want to do and ideas on how to do it. :) I DO program in C/C++ though so that part is easy. It's doing the math stuff that throws me off. Have fun, Dan Article: 19047 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!goodnews.voicenet.com!usenet From: marlon@voicenet.com (Marlon Beltz) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3 Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:54:47 GMT Organization: Digitech Solutions, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3190b1fd.90266967@netnews.voicenet.com> References: <4m60j6$ne6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4m78an$8st@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: marlon@3dsim.com NNTP-Posting-Host: philly261.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On 1 May 1996 04:45:11 -0400, stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) wrote: >Forgive my math - but didn't the numbers of the 500 Mhz Raptor vs 200 Mzh >P6 amount to a 3x speed increase for a 4x price increase? >Did I miss something? Seriously..... >A 500 Mhz Alpha is a fast machine - they will have 600Mhz machines by >fall, I bet....but price/performance is a crucial thing - no? Even though I'm the proud owner of a 300 mhz Raptor, I do not think they are the most bang for the buck. Our Dell 200mhz p6's are at least 2/3 as fast for most things except ray-tracing, yet cost less than a 1/3 as much. Article: 19048 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!goodnews.voicenet.com!usenet From: marlon@voicenet.com (Marlon Beltz) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: How fast is Pentium Pro for Lightwave. Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:54:49 GMT Organization: Digitech Solutions, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3190b4cf.90988544@netnews.voicenet.com> References: <3187AF05.6903@colonial.com.au> <4m9dd4$65@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: marlon@3dsim.com NNTP-Posting-Host: philly261.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On 2 May 1996 04:24:04 GMT, gregtee@ix.netcom.com(William Teegarden) wrote: >In <3187AF05.6903@colonial.com.au> Dwight Bonney > writes: >>Howdy, >>In the next couple of days I will have purchased all the parts I want >for >>a new very very fast machine. >>Does anyone actually have a Pentium Pro out there ?? Running Win-NT ? >>How much faster is it too the P5 ? Is worth going to, or would a dual >>P5-133 be better ?? >>Ive heard the performance, even under Win-NT is not all that great. >>Please reply, as this is urgent. >>Thnax >>Dwight. >The Pentuim Pro that I used wasn't all that terrific. It was fast, but >a dual 133 will probably serve you better. >Floating point operations aren't all that swift on the pro. >GT It just floors me that people spread this much dis-information without doing any hard comparisons of their own, especially when you are asking someone to make a very expensive decision. P6's are slow? Not good at FP? First off, you must run NT to take advantage of the power of the P6. It can only do pipelining and multi-execution on all 32bit code, which Win95 is not, it still has some basic operating functions that are in 16bit. As I just said in a previous post, our 200mhz P6 is 2/3 as fast as our 300mhz Raptor and over twice as fast as our 200mhz Indigo Extreme. As far as Dual CPU's go, unless you are running NT there is no advantage whatsoever. Unless your software is multi-threaded there is no advantage whatsoever unless you run 2 copies of the software (ie, 2 screamernets). In even the best motherboards the 2nd CPU is only about 80-90 percent effective because of overhead, and in many older motherboards it is less than 30% effective, and that is if all the above conditions are met. If anyone challanges these assertions I'd be glad to render any frame you'd like and send you the actual numbers. Article: 19049 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!phoenix.nlci.com!news From: "David J. Hillyer" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: VT/Windows in Indiana? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 09:50:57 -0700 Organization: Wabash National Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3190D0F1.21C0@pop.nlci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1-12.nlci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) I'm looking for a production house in Indiana that is using a Video Toaster for Windows. We're working on 4 different video's right now and don't have the editing or CG capabilities needed to do them the way we want. I've been given the task of researching getting an IBM/Windows based system and I'd like it to be a Toaster if it ever hits the market. I was hoping someone would know of a production house in Indianapolis or someplace close to Lafayette that might have a beta of the VT/Windows or something. I'd like to do 1 or more of the videos with a company so I have some idea of how the toaster would meet our needs before I put a proposal through to get one for here. Any help/ideas appreciated!! -- ---------------------------------------------- David J. Hillyer dhillyer@pop.nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/dhillyer ,-, |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ======== ___|| | Wabash National Corporation | ----- //_||| | http://www.wncwabash.com/wabash | ---- ,---'| ~||| | in Lafayette, Indiana | -- |o---|__|||--`======---------------------------------' ========= `-(*)===~~~~~~(*)(*)| (*)(*)| ------- All opinions above are mine, Mine, MINE! Everything else is (c)1996 Wabash National Corp. Article: 19050 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!west.news.istar.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!c From: gregtee@ix.netcom.com(William Teegarden) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 04:47:59 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4mp91v$i31@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <4llha9$89r@netaxs.com> <4lsf3u$3t3@news.paonline.com> <4ltloa$1f7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4m1afm$7gs@news.paonline.com> <4m1nuh$1nc@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4m3a9c$23p@nnrp1.news.primene NNTP-Posting-Host: lax-ca19-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 07 11:47:59 PM CDT 1996 >LW is "the best hobbiests 3D tool" but for real production film work, >sorry, you need more speed, and sure, you can toss more Amiga's at it or >what not, but thehn that blurs the whole (artificial) price advantage, >doesn't it? No one who uses LW professionaly in Hollywood uses Amigas anymore. GT Article: 19051 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 16:21:53 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4mqhn1$jju@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mqahd$5ot@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Reply-To: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35347 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19051 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16290 rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Bob Rodgers) writes: >(One thing -- although scanline rendering is reaching a >price-performance peak, and thus hurting SGI, the next realm -- real What are you talking about? Nothing is reaching anything resembling a peak and won't any time soon. Scanline rendering is an area of active research and the various techniques of spoofing raytracing and radiosity tricks using faster algorithms are definitely slowing things down. >raytracing & photoreal rendering -- still requires ten to one hundred Why are you distinguishing scanline and photoreal rendering? They are certainly not mutually exclusive. >times the time and hardware for the same amount of output. An >alternative to lower prices would be to work on hardware that raised >the bar on output quality. HDTV may have the same effect.) Ack. Right now, even working on a high speed SGI, using scanline algorithms, is slow as all hell compared to what I'd like it to be. -- Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers. http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY. Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon, Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio... Article: 19052 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.xara.net!xara.net!SoNet!usenet From: leelee Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Videdit Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 15:51:57 +0000 Organization: SoNet - The first Internet provider on the south coast Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3190C31D.2575@aladdin.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.119.120.61 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (WinNT; I) Does anyone know where I can get Microsofts VIDEDIT. I've searched everywere for it on Microsofts WWW but just cannot find it. Don.... Article: 19053 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: t0pjimmy@aol.com (T0pJimmy) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp Date: 8 May 1996 12:39:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqin7$l18@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mo15l$1ol@cesium.megatek.com> Reply-To: t0pjimmy@aol.com (T0pJimmy) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Ahhh, the good ol' Cubicomp days of doing everything from the keyboard. We don' need no stinkin' mices. Brings a tear to the eye. Thanks for the memories! p.s. Will trade CC manual for crack. ;) Jim Guyon T0pJimmy@aol.com Article: 19054 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!legba.synergy.net!news.inetnebr.com!usenet From: Robert Christoffersen Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Firewire interface Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 12:02:20 -0500 Organization: Internet Nebraska Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3190D39C.74E8@inetnebr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: in32.inetnebr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) CC: rjchris@inetnebr.com Looking to see if anyone knows of a third party addition to the Flyer that would allow direct dumping of Sony DV into a Flyer? Somebody did mention a VLAB plug-in that was to be available, but I didn't think that was the 1394 protocol? Am I wrong? Is there a flyer news group on-line? Article: 19055 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ghhco@aol.com (GHHCO) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Information On SOFTWARE Products, Companies, Events Date: 8 May 1996 13:07:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 38 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqkcu$li6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ghhco@aol.com (GHHCO) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Software Age is a new Web site dedicated exclusively to providing information on software and related subjects to business, education, government and home software users. It provides data on software products, software developers and publishers, trade associations, user groups, conferences, expositions, and other software-related sites. 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If you are interested in always having up-to-date information on software, BOOKMARK THIS SITE. George Heilborn, Publisher heilborn@softwareage.com Article: 19056 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 10:43:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 33 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqmf6$qdg@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mqahd$5ot@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35353 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19056 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16294 Bob Rodgers wrote: : (One thing -- although scanline rendering is reaching a : price-performance peak, and thus hurting SGI, the next realm -- real : raytracing & photoreal rendering -- still requires ten to one hundred : times the time and hardware for the same amount of output. An There are already people *not* at SGI working on realtime and accelerated raytracing rendering engines. The time for SGI to have *that* product on the market is now. While I agree that Alias is the best designed 3D product on the market, there's no mystery to its features, and I think everyone will be going after them. What they do in this market is up to them, and I'll be using Alias until the little mammals like LW, Animation Master, maybe 3DMax; evolve some big, sharp teeth. NT is the meteor that will cause the eventual demise of software like Alias if they don't evolve with the market. When NT and the consumer Windows are merged in about two years, it will be a force not to be ignored. SGI really has to look at a different business model if they want to remain a force in the overall CGI marketplace. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19057 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 10:46:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 24 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqmkp$qka@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mmnmh$4pj@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <4mqcb7$j10@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35354 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19057 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16295 InstntGuts wrote: : : As we all do a slow burn... : Thanks for your message, Greg. Very good points. And don't forget, Alias charges a per CPU price for their renderer. : -- Jon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19058 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!oronet!news.netzone.com!phx-ip-77.netzone.com!user From: jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 01:55:00 -0700 Organization: Center for Advancing Computer Technologies Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: phx-ip-88.netzone.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35356 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19058 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16296 Its really quite simple mjm, Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You know WHY SoftImage has such a good reputation as an animation application? Cause its almost interactive rendering speeds. But thats on an SGI. Get it on a Pentium without 128 MGS RAM and an open GL accelerator and it looses all its advantage. Just another sluggish, cludgy modeling/animating app. And after you get your system up to snuff compare it to NEW SGI technology like the R5000 chip in the Indy - in both cost and performance. Then spend your time scratching your head and asking why your animations still look like shit - cause you don't have SoftImage's real rendering engine ported to NT yet and Studio MAX still has the same sorry renderer that Studio has. So go out and price out LightWorks or Pixar's rendering engine, then see how your price comparisons work out - You guys buy ever line that those liers at Microsoft shove at you..... Joe In article <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org>, mjmackin@io.org (Matt. ) wrote: > Steph Greenberg wrote: > > >InstntGuts wrote: > >: experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but > >: it aint!...> > > >: ...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last > >: statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D > >: Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these > >: programs -- in my opinion. > > >: My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality > >: renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply > >: doesn't know how to use the package properly. > > >"High-quality renderings" doesn't equal high quality character animation, > >or high quality seamless integration of photo realistic objects > >in live action plates, etc. Certainly you can get high quality > >renderings, but what exactly are the limitations that separate > >PC programs from SGI programs? > > >: -- Jon > > > I'd say about $8000-$15000 dollars and a whole lot of ego. I saw a > really good demo of SoftImage for an SGI, and said wow, and was really > blown away by it. > > Three days later I went to a demo of the 3DStudio Max software, and it > had some features that were not in SoftImage (but are scheduled for > the next release). It was missing other features that softimage had, > but I would have to say that they were very closel matched. > > Now, hardware use to make a differance, but some of the new 3d > accelerator boards are closing that gap. The new Glint chip cards are > doing more than a SGI Iris2 is. Why are you spending the money when > you aren't getting more value for the dollar?? > > mjm Article: 19059 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 10:55:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 44 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqn5l$ra9@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35357 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19059 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16297 fwtep@earthlink.net wrote: : On 5/7/96 12:16AM, in message <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Steph : Greenberg wrote: : > fat trimmed out of its code, since only the fastest and most expensive NT : > machines would be adaquate. Before SGI acquired them, they wouldn't have had : > the resources to split their development team up. : Disney had the NT port already before it was cancelled--they might still have : it actually. It exists. We just had a rep in last week and we were discussing : it. Which division of Disney? I'll have to ask around. AFAIK, this is untrue, but it's easy enough for me to check out. Considering how unbelievably dog-slow Alias 6 was, and SGI already owned them by then, it would be harder to believe they could get it to run on the NT machines of 1994, particularly considering the lack of 3D cards at the time. : > : > I mean, on a much simpler program on a much simpler OS, it took a long time : > for Newtek to port to the PC for the first time. Softimage was ported to NT : > with a craftily hacked IRIX emulator, under a direct mandate from the parent : > company. : > : It took about three months or so to get the first beta of NT LW out. After they'd already ported significant parts of the render long before that. : -- : -=Fred=- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19060 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 11:14:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 37 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqo99$sqm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35358 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19060 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16299 Warren Vosper wrote: : Steph Greenberg (steph@primenet.com) wrote: : : fwtep@earthlink.net wrote: : : : First of all, you won't be able to get a loaded R10000 machine for $10,000. In : : : fact, if SGI sold beer, YOU couldn't even get loaded for $10,000. Also, sorry, : : : but the R10000 is still SLOWER than the current Alphas. But thanks for playing. : : Um, yes and no. The *chip* is faster, but I'm not sure if any of the Alphas : : has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer clock : : cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of all : : that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the difference : : when interacting with large scenes. : DEC's unix OS has been 64 bit since the alpha was introduced. DEC's unix OS isn't Windows NT, is it? Also, most of the Alpha machines people are discussing on this list are not DECs, and they're PCI based to boot. : -- : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : warren vosper HP-Convex Technology Center : warrenv@convex.com 3000 Waterview Parkway : (214)497-4928 Richardson, TX 75080 : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19061 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!news From: gills@bbs.newtek.com (Todd Gillissie) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Error 213 starting Modeler 5.0 Date: Wed, 8 May 96 13:07:36 Organization: Active Video Productions, Inc. Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <19960508.7799658.BF99@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.newtek.com Stuart, I'm writing to you about a different problem that Chuck the Sysop said you ran into also. I am getting some rendering "dropout" lines. Horizontal lines randomly appearing in some of my frames. It seems to be mostly on scenes with a background picture. Have you figured this one out? In the meantime, after I single frame all my frames, I have to look closely at the animation and try to pick out all the bad frames, re-render them, then individually record them in place of the bad ones on the tape. Pain in the butt, huh? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Article: 19062 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.net1.net!news From: throb@net1.net (thROB) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: WTB : PC PAR Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 18:22:34 GMT Organization: Net One Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4mqo8n$d2s@news.net1.net> Reply-To: throb@net1.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp029.net1.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/32.126 I am looking for a PAR. The HD is optional. I can get those. Fast ones are easy to come by. Enjoy, and thanks Robert (throb@net1.net) Article: 19063 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.net1.net!news From: throb@net1.net (thROB) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: check out these cool Sailor Moon Models! - scouts.jpg (1/1) Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 18:26:37 GMT Organization: Net One Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4mqog9$d2s@news.net1.net> References: <318feceb.221979@news> Reply-To: throb@net1.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp029.net1.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/32.126 Hey , these are cool models. Nice work with the cartoon plugin, if I may say so. Enjoy! Rob Article: 19064 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!gatech!gt-news!prism!prism!not-for-mail From: ccasttt@prism.gatech.edu (Taka Torimoto) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 7 May 1996 23:09:19 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4mp38v$ht0@acmez.gatech.edu> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <1120.6701T229T631@mbox200.swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmez-prism.gatech.edu >>I agree. I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of >>my LW dongle. It is NOT trasparant like they say. I had to make a decision >>of what was more valuable to me, LW or the QC. So my QC is sitting on the >>self in its box. It really sucks that I had to make that decision. I >>REALLY shoudn't have to. Some people will say "buy another parallel port >>card". That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I >>shouldn't be expected to spend. Dongles suck! Their ineffectiveness is >>demonstrated everyday with every "need lightwave crack" message posted. I'd >>rather LW just go w/ serial numbers instead. The fucking pirates will get >>their cracked copies of LW regardless. Let's focus on the USER not the >>stinkin' pirates. >Somekind of problem using a switchbox? Guess what? The QuickCam doesn't work with a switchbox... I got a great deal on a switch box ($20!) and it's useless now.. it's a pain when i hafta turn off the computer, and switch cables just to use either my HP printer or the QuickCam.. but luckily, i don't use the printer much... now, in THIS case, it's SOFTWARE... that's friggin ridiculous... if I had LW on my PC, I'd be using it ALL the time.. as a matter of fact, it's the MAIN reason why I bought a PC.. but no.. i can't afford LW right now.. and it even comes with a friggin donge... i use my quickcam often... for now, i'm just putting up with LW 4.0 on my Toaster/Flyer/Amiga setup.. but i'd much rather use LW on my P150 PC... I don't have LW for the PC,.. I *WANT* LW for the PC... but: 1. I can't afford it 2. I hate the dongle... I'd probably shell out the bucks if it didn't come with a dongle.. -taka -- Takahito "Taka" Torimoto Sound Illusions Multimedia Studios Georgia Institute of Technology http://www.gatech.edu/taka/sheep _ Electrical/Computer Engineering Senior Flocking Sheep Productions _ // Home Page: http://www.gatech.edu/taka Team AMIGA \X/ Article: 19065 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW is an Island Date: 8 May 1996 14:25:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqotv$mqb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mmnf5$7h7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ----------------------------------------------- I have full confidence though that it will become the software of choice among all digital artists in the near future. -------------------------------------------------- Why is that? There is some good competition out there - MAX and SoftImage and ElectricImage are all competitive, even though I prefer LW generally - and NewTek is in the worst shap of any of the companies. In fact, Microsoft and Autodesk/Kinetix are HUGE companies. On the downside, NewTek's marketing is sad (they can't write press releases), and the company isn't really devoted to LightWave at the highest levels. Also, NewTek has virtually no support in Hollywood anymore (Alan and Stuart coming down to visit is good, but not marketing support like the old days), and they are no adding new seats in major companies but the old seats are moving around...in addition, the dealer base is decimated and they are not attracting third party support... LightWave's software is great - that is not, nor has it ever been the problem. But any of the other competitive programs could drop their prices in a second and eat LW for lunch in a business sense. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19066 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 11:35:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 36 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqpgl$14a@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mpkes$drn@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Stranahan wrote: : ------------------------------------------ : "...the right LightWave artist, : > and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING : - : > the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget." : So what do you mean? : ---------------------------------------- : I meant what I said. Look, a budget is budget. The right LW artist(s) : will do the same job as the Alias artists for the same money. : The difference? The LW people KEEP more money. You are obviously unaware of the type of jobs Alias artists are doing, and they often do it on large projects where the central platform is Alias (this is also true of Prisms artists). Very few Alias users freelance the grind circuit, since the pay is too low. At least in LA, they freelance for large companies, or major production companies. I've never lived anywhere else, so I don't know what kind of jobs are available in other areas. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19067 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 11:51:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 46 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqqel$2eu@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4llha9$89r@netaxs.com> <4lsf3u$3t3@news.paonline.com> <4ltloa$1f7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4m1afm$7gs@news.paonline.com> <4m1nuh$1nc@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4m3a9c$23p@nnrp1.news.primene <4mo1ar$e78@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mocdd$84e@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Noam Ben-Ami wrote: : Steph Greenberg writes: : >There's certainly real production work you can do with LW. But most : >catagories of feature work that I've seen are beyond LW. Except may stuff : >like an axe flying at the camera, blowing buildings up (on the first cut : >of the frame), and things where critical camera matching (on moving camera : >shots), light matching, characters not sliding their feet, motion matching, : >etc, aren't an issue. : What are you TALKING about? I've seen people do incredible work with lightwave, : from Space:Above and Beyond, to the great character animation of the M&Ms : commercials, to some stuff that a friend of mine who is a LW artist does for : a games company, like explosions, lightnings, game characters on so on. If you think the M&M spots are "great" . . . I see lack of mass, facial morphs that all move at the same time, feet sliding, etc. Look at the Blue Sky Honeycomb ads, anything by Pixar, PDI, R&H. While they aren't using Alias necessarily, they are vastly better than the M&M spots. : LW is certainly capable of incredible work. Ok, the best Alias stuff I've seen : is significantly than the best LW stuff. 90% of the reason for this, though, : is that those alias-generated animations are done on massive budgets, by : highly paid animators working on extremely capable, extremely expensive hardware, : with significant support from other artists and programmers. Many of them ex-Lightwave people. The reason we leave Lightwave on the pro level is that there's just stuff we can't do with it, without wasting time compensating for features it doesn't have (like multi target deformation and proper IK/constraint tools) I would hope eventually LW will have the basic animation tools (which IK is considered these days, with many years of refinement on the high end that is sorely lacking in LW). I would hope LW will catch up, but it isn't just the resources that are poured into pro productions. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19068 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 11:52:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 21 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mqqgh$2hk@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mo73p$36p5@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com gms2@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : Steph Greenberg writes: : >If this weren't so ridiculous, it would be funny. Practically the only thing : >Lucas has is ILM. And since it's a privatly held company (I think), he doesn't : Not to go *too* far off subject, but doesn't Lucas also own Skywalker Sound? : (Unless I'm mistaken and it's just a subdivision of ILM.) I said practically. I'm sure they also make money off of the THX certification thing too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19069 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.inap.net!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: wmendez@ix.netcom.com(William A. Mendez ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: How about a plugin to select multiple .p files Date: 8 May 1996 04:06:29 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4mp6k5$hvf@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <318C0919.CDD@ix.netcom.com> <3190A2B0.3C90@got.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-jc7-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 07 11:06:29 PM CDT 1996 Hello ALL, Just got 5.0 today and was going crazy adding plugins one at a time, can multiple plugins be selected and added? Other than that 5.0 kicks @*%$#! metanurbs and power textures are cool, I haven't played around with the other plug-ins yet. Will Mendez Article: 19070 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toastrguy@aol.com (ToastRGuy) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Flyer HQ-6 quality video Date: 8 May 1996 14:54:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqqlv$nau@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu>, z931205@corn.cso.niu.edu (David Kim) writes: >Anyone have the inside scoop on what technologies are being utilized >to achieve HQ-6 level quality with the Flyer? > >Ultra SCSI? >Fiber-Channel? >FireWire? > > None of the above. The current Flyer Hardware is ready to do lossless D-2 quality. It just needs a hard drive or array capable of sustaining a transfer rate of up to 8 MB/sec if needed. Article: 19071 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: Lance Gray Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Crosstalk on Flyer?!? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:06:33 -0500 Organization: Empire Productions Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3190F0B9.151C@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal05-03.ppp.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: news2.cais.com rec.video.production:42559 rec.video.desktop:20229 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19071 I'm getting crosstalk between signals.... Such as, when I play a clip on the Flyer and it finishes...and then goes black---I can faintly see the other image buffer through the blackness! I know it's some kind of a termination problem...but it has just shown up. I had this problem 2 years ago with the YC+ card going bad, and I pray that's not the reason again! I'm using an A4000 with Flyer software 4.1 w/a YC+ I've also Autohued again & re-calibrated the Flyer to no avail?!? Any suggestions -- ________________________________________________________________________ Lance Gray (empire@airmail.net) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped** "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed, for the spirit of GOD rests on you." 1 Peter 14 ________________________________________________________________________ Article: 19072 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!alpha.sky.net!news From: blaise@dti.com (Blaise Fanning) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3 Date: 8 May 1996 19:13:08 GMT Organization: Deskstation Technology, Inc Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4mqro4$puh@alpha.sky.net> References: <4m60j6$ne6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4m78an$8st@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3190b1fd.90266967@netnews.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: assman.dti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <3190b1fd.90266967@netnews.voicenet.com>, marlon@voicenet.com says... > > >Even though I'm the proud owner of a 300 mhz Raptor, I do not think >they are the most bang for the buck. Our Dell 200mhz p6's are at >least 2/3 as fast for most things except ray-tracing, yet cost less >than a 1/3 as much. I'm glad that you're proud :-) In fairness, when you compare a 200MHz PPro a 300MHz Raptor, you're comparing a product that we were shipping last May to a product that didn't start shipping until after the first of the year, if I'm not mistaken. If we take what we're shipping now vs. what Intel is shipping now, we get to compare their PPro 200 to our 400MHz EV5, which opens up our lead to about 2x again. Also, depending upon when you bought the Raptor, memory prices could well have played a big part in it. With memory costs plummeting as they are, the price differential between Alpha and PPro should narrow in the near future, as the bigger PC manufacturers have been getting really good memory prices for a while, due to *huge* long-term contracts. Blaise Fanning VP Engineering DeskStation Technology Article: 19073 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jbooth411@aol.com (JBooth411) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Do I need EDO ?? Date: 8 May 1996 15:21:47 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 22 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqs8b$npc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article , oxleyd@logica.co.uk (David Oxley) writes: > >According to magazine articles, EDO RAM is about 2% faster than non-EDO. >Also, it's enough to have 256K PB cache; 512K doesn't give any significant >improvement over 256K, but both give ~28% improvement over none at all. > > That should be 20% faster.. EDO ram makes a noticable difference, even with a great cache... Jason Booth Second Nature, Inc. "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE RICH!!!!" Article: 19074 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.inap.net!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: gregtee@ix.netcom.com(William Teegarden) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 05:03:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4mp9vm$ih9@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <4llha9$89r@netaxs.com> <4lsf3u$3t3@news.paonline.com> <4ltloa$1f7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4m1afm$7gs@news.paonline.com> <4m1nuh$1nc@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4m3a9c$23p@nnrp1.news.primene NNTP-Posting-Host: lax-ca19-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 08 12:03:50 AM CDT 1996 > >There's certainly real production work you can do with LW. But most >catagories of feature work that I've seen are beyond LW. Except may stuff >like an axe flying at the camera, blowing buildings up (on the first cut >of the frame), and things where critical camera matching (on moving camera >shots), light matching, characters not sliding their feet, motion matching, >etc, aren't an issue. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- >Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, >steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. > >Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial >electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and >non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. >Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- Camera match moves, light matching, characters not sliding their feet, motion matching, have all been sucessfully accomplished in LW. The issue of camera match moves is of particular interest because NO current 3D package offers a solution to the problem. Every house has it's own propreitary method of tracking camera positions in a plate, it's just a matter then of getting the information into the software in a form it can use. At Amblin, we had our own camera tracking software, which spit out LW a motion file. It worked great. GT Article: 19075 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!avalon.chinalake.navy.mil!usenet Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LW5.0, do I need NT 3.51? Message-ID: From: Des McPherson Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:09:50 GMT Sender: usenet@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil (NAWS news admin) Organization: NAWS, China Lake, CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Lines: 4 Do I need NT 3.51 to take advantage of the OpenGL stuff in 5.0 or will my 3.50 be ok. Article: 19076 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jbooth411@aol.com (JBooth411) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 15:32:17 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqss1$nvm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article , fwtep@earthlink.net writes: >> LW is "the best hobbiests 3D tool" but for real production film work, >> sorry, you need more speed, and sure, you can toss more Amiga's at it or >> what not, but thehn that blurs the whole (artificial) price advantage, >> doesn't it? >> >> Bill Leonard - bill_l@magicnet.net >> cyber.lab g.f.x. >> Orlando, Florida > > >Hey Bill, my hobby is doing visual effects for major motion pictures using >Lightwave 3D. Bet my hobby's better than yours. >-- > -=Fred=- Hey guys, remember, Bill is a Mac user, who as far as I recall doesn't even use lightwave, so what would he know? Jason Booth Second Nature, Inc. "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE RICH!!!!" Article: 19077 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: zike@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Crosstalk on Flyer?!? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:51:54 -0700 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3191177A.4271@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3190F0B9.151C@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rm18a-32.comm.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Xref: news2.cais.com rec.video.production:42561 rec.video.desktop:20231 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19077 Lance Gray wrote: > > I'm getting crosstalk between signals.... > > Such as, when I play a clip on the Flyer and it finishes...and then goes > black---I can faintly see the other image buffer through the blackness! > I know it's some kind of a termination problem...but it has just shown > up. I had this problem 2 years ago with the YC+ card going bad, and I > pray that's not the reason again! > > I'm using an A4000 with Flyer software 4.1 w/a YC+ > > I've also Autohued again & re-calibrated the Flyer to no avail?!? > > Any suggestions > -- > ________________________________________________________________________ > Lance Gray (empire@airmail.net) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped** > > "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed, > for the spirit of GOD rests on you." 1 Peter 14 > ________________________________________________________________________ Finally!!! I am not totally nuts after all. I am also having this exact same problem. I have spoke to New-Tek twice, and they have not been a bit of help. I am not using a Y/C board however. I first noticed it when using the IFFtoClip arexx routine from the editor folder. I was getting all of this artifacting in my final image that looked remarkably like the Video Toaster Logo that was loaded in the preview buffer. After this, I started noticing this more and more often when I was just editing clips and fading to black. NewTek tried to tell me it was my 23 to 15 pin adaptor I was using with my Multisync monitor, so I hooked up a 1084S. WRONG New-Tek!!! They then told me that it was the center frequency adjustment, so they faxed me the instructions and I went through all the steps. Wrong New-Tek!!! I have autohued and Flyer calibrated 20 times and still get some faint image of the preview buffer bleeding through the program output. We need HELP!!! Article: 19078 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jbooth411@aol.com (JBooth411) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Question about Lazy Points Plugin Date: 8 May 1996 15:43:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 21 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mqtg6$o5j@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <318FFC01.7A42@realtime.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <318FFC01.7A42@realtime.com>, Ben Frech writes: > >I got LW5 in the mail this weekend... its AWSOME! I have one question... how >can you change the "laziness" of the Lazy Points plugin? I tried >changing the options... it says the plugin has no interface... TIA. You can edit it and recompile it (its in the sdk).. Other than that, get BML for layout, and use BOB's version - which can be changed quite easily.. Jason Booth Second Nature, Inc. "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE RICH!!!!" Article: 19079 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!usenet From: Tom Poecksteiner Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Free Lightwave Demo ? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 22:02:23 +0200 Organization: BIW GesmbH Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3190FDCF.7FA1@biw.co.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.83.130.101 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Hi folks, does anyone know if there is a free lightwave demo available which would make decisions easier ? any tips would be very appreciated tom Article: 19080 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 20:17:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4mqvgf$8vf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> Reply-To: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35366 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19080 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16304 jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) writes: >Its really quite simple mjm, >Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there >is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You Nope, none of us are doing this. Sorry to burst your bubble, joe. >know WHY SoftImage has such a good reputation as an animation application? Yes, but I have a feeling you have a wierd opinion on the matter. >Cause its almost interactive rendering speeds. But thats on an SGI. Get it Nope. Softimage's renderer is fast, mental ray is great, but thats not why softimage has won its reputation. >on a Pentium without 128 MGS RAM and an open GL accelerator and it looses >all its advantage. Just another sluggish, cludgy modeling/animating app. Not really, but anyway, when you compare the cost of a 128 meg PPro with a GL card and softimage to the cost of a comparable SGI, the PPro wins out bigtime. Once you add the cost of extra software, considering the exorbitant cost of unix software (and hardware!) then the PPro wins again. >And after you get your system up to snuff compare it to NEW SGI technology >like the R5000 chip in the Indy - in both cost and performance. Then spend Then the PPro is still much faster. >see how your price comparisons work out - You guys buy ever line that >those liers at Microsoft shove at you..... Got a hidden agenda, buddy? -- Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers. http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY. Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon, Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio... Article: 19081 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 20:52:23 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4mr1i7$bf7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4llha9$89r@netaxs.com> <4lsf3u$3t3@news.paonline.com> <4ltloa$1f7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4m1afm$7gs@news.paonline.com> <4m1nuh$1nc@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4m3a9c$23p@nnrp1.news.primene Reply-To: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Steph Greenberg writes: >Noam Ben-Ami wrote: >: Steph Greenberg writes: >: >There's certainly real production work you can do with LW. But most >: >catagories of feature work that I've seen are beyond LW. Except may stuff >: >like an axe flying at the camera, blowing buildings up (on the first cut >: >of the frame), and things where critical camera matching (on moving camera >: >shots), light matching, characters not sliding their feet, motion matching, >: >etc, aren't an issue. >: What are you TALKING about? I've seen people do incredible work with lightwave, >: from Space:Above and Beyond, to the great character animation of the M&Ms >: commercials, to some stuff that a friend of mine who is a LW artist does for >: a games company, like explosions, lightnings, game characters on so on. >If you think the M&M spots are "great" . . . I see lack of mass, facial morphs >that all move at the same time, feet sliding, etc. Look at the Blue Sky Honeycomb >ads, anything by Pixar, PDI, R&H. While they aren't using Alias necessarily, >they are vastly better than the M&M spots. Yes yes yes. I've seen the honeycomb ad and was very impressed by the amazing compositing at its end. Nice stuff, though the commercial is absolutely dreadful, like most of the stuff done by advertising firms these days. Anyway, my point was that lightwave can certainly be used to do more than axes flying at cameras. Furthermore, argue it any way you want, but the M&Ms commercials are vastly, VASTLY better than the pathetic honeycomb stuff. The M&M characters may not be as sophisticated, but at least they don't make you want to click off the TV in disgust, and they have personality and humor...which, after all, is the whole point of character animation. -- Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers. http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY. Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon, Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio... Article: 19082 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 8 May 1996 16:52:29 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 18 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mr1id$pdh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mqpgl$14a@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com -------------------------------------------- You are obviously unaware of the type of jobs Alias artists are doing, -------------------------------------------- I'm real aware of the projects, AND the budgets. I'll stand by my statement. I've not seen a job that I could not use LightWave for - you'd have to hire a programmer (hey! just like Alias/Wavefront/SI users do!) but LW's plug-in architecture makes that a very viable option. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19083 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Bryant Reif Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 16:58:24 -0400 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31910AF0.BE4@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <1120.6701T229T631@mbox200.swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc045154.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) Johan Otterstrom wrote: > > >I agree. I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of > >my LW dongle. It is NOT trasparant like they say. I had to make a decision > >of what was more valuable to me, LW or the QC. So my QC is sitting on the > >self in its box. It really sucks that I had to make that decision. I > >REALLY shoudn't have to. Some people will say "buy another parallel port > >card". That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I > >shouldn't be expected to spend. Dongles suck! Their ineffectiveness is > >demonstrated everyday with every "need lightwave crack" message posted. I'd > >rather LW just go w/ serial numbers instead. The fucking pirates will get > >their cracked copies of LW regardless. Let's focus on the USER not the > >stinkin' pirates. > > Somekind of problem using a switchbox? Can you attest that this will work? How much will it cost me? Sounds like the 'ol "buy another parallel port stupid" suggestion. I probably can't afford either, where does that leave me? I gotta pay for pirates 2-fold. Once when I buy the product, and again when the dongle doesn't behave as promised. And what really sucks about that is that they are completely ineffective. The LW 5.0 crack is already out. Thank god for dongles! We really put it to those pirates, huh? We slowed them down a whole week! ..or less. All the money we invested in dongles, switch boxes and new parallel ports was all worth it in the end! Right? Gimme a break. -- Bryant Reif mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant Article: 19084 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!news.bsu.edu!iasmh.bsu.edu!darius From: Shadowbird Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 04:18:49 -0500 Organization: Ball State University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318F5A2D.2BD@cyberoptics.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iasmh.bsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <318F5A2D.2BD@cyberoptics.com> > My copy of Martin Hash's 3D Animation has a unique copy protection > system that doesn't require a dongle: you have to have the CD-ROM loaded > when you first start the program. If you don't, the program won't start. > If you do, the program starts and then you can replace the CD-ROM with > any other CD-ROM you want. > > I really like this method of copy protection vrs. having a dongle. It has been done, but it's not particularly hard to hack. There are programs out there that think the program is really running off a CD, even though it's on a hard drive. However, to me this seems about as effective as the dongle, without the problems. -=-Nighthawk-=- Article: 19085 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!crazybe.demon.co.uk From: andy@crazybe.demon.co.uk (Andrew Barnett) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Videdit Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 20:35:42 GMT Organization: CrAzY Bee Productions Lines: 11 Message-ID: <831587837.6732.0@crazybe.demon.co.uk> References: <3190C31D.2575@aladdin.co.uk> Reply-To: andy@crazybe.demon.co.uk (Andrew Barnett) NNTP-Posting-Host: crazybe.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: crazybe.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/32.126 On Wed, 08 May 1996 15:51:57 +0000, leelee wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get Microsofts VIDEDIT. I've searched everywere for it on Microsofts >WWW but just cannot find it. >Don.... Hi this program just got posted in the alt.binairies.multimedia.ultilties Article: 19086 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!beanbaw.demon.co.uk From: John Reddington Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Books on HOW????? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 20:37:35 GMT Organization: None Lines: 33 Message-ID: <22134179wnr@beanbaw.demon.co.uk> References: <318DB8E8.4699@pacific.net.sg> <4mivpg$34s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: john@beanbaw.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: beanbaw.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Wednesday, May 08, 1996 20.37.35 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Mail2News-Path: relay-4.mail.demon.net!post.demon.co.uk!beanbaw.demon.co.uk In article: <4mivpg$34s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> howardst@aol.com (Howard ST) writes: > > >>Please anybody out there know whether I can > order books on lightwave with tutorials? > Thank You > > >> > > I have spent my weekend reading "The Best of LightWave Pro Compilation > Book"-- this is an excellent 250+ page book filled with tutorials from > back issues of LightWave Pro newsletter. It is avail, I believe, from AMG > media at (408) 743-9250 or http://www.portal.com/~amg > -H It is available (or so I've been lead to believe) , but obviously NOT if you live in the UK. 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Send 3 US dollars for sample A4 sheets and price list to: HOLLY INKJET PAPERS 30 Braydon Road London N16 6QB ENGLAND Article: 19088 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 15:06:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 47 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <31910AF0.BE4@pilot.msu.edu> X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <31910AF0.BE4@pilot.msu.edu> Bryant Reif writes: >From: Bryant Reif >Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack >Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 16:58:24 -0400 >Johan Otterstrom wrote: >> >> >I agree. I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of >> >my LW dongle. It is NOT trasparant like they say. I had to make a decision >> >of what was more valuable to me, LW or the QC. So my QC is sitting on the >> >self in its box. It really sucks that I had to make that decision. I >> >REALLY shoudn't have to. Some people will say "buy another parallel port >> >card". That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I >> >shouldn't be expected to spend. Dongles suck! Their ineffectiveness is >> >demonstrated everyday with every "need lightwave crack" message posted. I'd >> >rather LW just go w/ serial numbers instead. The fucking pirates will get >> >their cracked copies of LW regardless. Let's focus on the USER not the >> >stinkin' pirates. >> >> Somekind of problem using a switchbox? >Can you attest that this will work? How much will it cost me? Sounds like the >'ol "buy another parallel port stupid" suggestion. I probably can't afford >either, where does that leave me? I gotta pay for pirates 2-fold. Once when I >buy the product, and again when the dongle doesn't behave as promised. And what >really sucks about that is that they are completely ineffective. The LW 5.0 >crack is already out. Thank god for dongles! We really put it to those pirates, >huh? We slowed them down a whole week! ..or less. All the money we invested in >dongles, switch boxes and new parallel ports was all worth it in the end! Right? > Gimme a break. >-- >Bryant Reif Believe it or not, everybody isn't surfin' the net looking for cracks. Amazingly, a lot of people have no idea how to UUENCODE. A dongle certainly does not stop pirating, but it does slow it down. I have used a switchbox for convenience purpose (one on a cable that I "glued" to the front side of the PC case). They have worked fine for me in two cases. And yes, it will cost you $20-25. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19089 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Crosstalk on Flyer?!? Date: 8 May 1996 18:23:59 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 26 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mr6tv$r23@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3191177A.4271@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com rec.video.production:42568 rec.video.desktop:20238 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19089 Here's some sad truth for you... A couple of years ago, I was talking to the head of tech support (Chris Richardson) and he was having real problems because there were a number of issues that he wasn't getting answers on. One was cross-talk in the Toaster, and the 'bleed' from frame buffer that allowed the Toaster logo to faintly show through at some points. We sat down with Tim (the president) and talked about this, and other issues. Tim was fairly defensive - he said that there is no problem - that there is an 'acceptable' amount of crosstalk built into the system spec. Chris said something along the lines of 'So, basically our users are screwed.' Tim didn't see it that way, but didn't offer any solution at all. So - you're probably seeing an acceptable problem! _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19090 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!news From: chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE 5.0 Date: Wed, 8 May 96 17:22:08 Organization: NewTek Technical Support Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <19960508.798A5B8.F5F8@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.newtek.com On Tue 7-May-1996 9:36 , Paul Toohey wrote: PT> Just received and installed 5.0 and am very pleased so far. But!! In PT> layout when creating a scene using an object of the letter "H" created PT> in modeler using Front Page Bold font, I experienced a problem with the PT> lower half filling in with a triangle shape on the right side. I had PT> used the same font on LW 4.0 earlier in the AM with no problem. Had to PT> construct the letter to finish the scene. Has anyone else seen this PT> problem? Appreciate any help. What did the H look like in Modeler 5.0? Was the extra polygon actually present there? If not, you may simply be seeing a problem with OpenGL display of objects which contain convex polygons, which is frequently the case with objects made from TrueType fonts. The OpenGL display will be faulty, but the final rendered image will not show the artifact, if this is the case. ======================================================================== Chuck Baker | TekWorld: NewTek Tech Support BBS Technical Support Online Services | telnet address: bbs.newtek.com NewTek, Inc. | modem ports: 913-271-9299 ======================================================================== CompuServe: Go AmigaVend, NewTek; DTVForum, NewTek; GUGRPA, LightWave UG AOL: Keyword NewTek Email: Tech@newtek.com ======================================================================== Article: 19091 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: VT/Windows in Indiana? Date: 8 May 1996 18:25:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mr700$r2t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3190D0F1.21C0@pop.nlci.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com There is no Video Toaster for Windows anywhere. Sorry. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19092 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.cinenet.net!Bugs From: rickmay@cinenet.net (Rick May) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Wed, 08 May 96 19:35:27 GMT Organization: Cinenet Communications,Internet Access,Los Angeles;310-301-4500 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <4mr7ig$8av@marina.cinenet.net> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp79.cinenet.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35373 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19092 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16317 In article , jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) wrote: ->Its really quite simple mjm, -> ->Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there ->is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You ->know WHY SoftImage has such a good reputation as an animation application? ->Cause its almost interactive rendering speeds. But thats on an SGI. Get it ->on a Pentium without 128 MGS RAM and an open GL accelerator and it looses ->all its advantage. Just another sluggish, cludgy modeling/animating app. ->And after you get your system up to snuff compare it to NEW SGI technology ->like the R5000 chip in the Indy - in both cost and performance. Then spend ->your time scratching your head and asking why your animations still look ->like shit - cause you don't have SoftImage's real rendering engine ported ->to NT yet and Studio MAX still has the same sorry renderer that Studio ->has. So go out and price out LightWorks or Pixar's rendering engine, then ->see how your price comparisons work out - You guys buy ever line that ->those liers at Microsoft shove at you..... -> ->Joe -> I dont even know where to begin with this message.. whooaa.. Softimage and almost interactive rendering speeds?? Are you talking about the hardware redraw for feedback while your working- or the actual rendering speeds of the software renderer? If your talking about the actual rendering- then it isnt even close to be realtime. And, if you are talking about hardware redraw speeds- you better check your facts. The Open GL boards on these Pentium Pro machines are as fast if not faster than the Indigo 2 Extremes redraw.. And as far as 3DMax using the old Studio renderer- your wrong again. It was totally re-written. And further- getting RenderMan on the PC or NT isnt very easy- considering it isnt even out for it, or atleast not supported for anything other than Unix anymore... rick Rick May Independent CG Animator http://www.cinenet.net/users/rickmay ------------------------------------------------------ 3D CG Character Animation Mailing List http://www.cinenet.net/users/rickmay/CG-CHAR/Menu.html ------------------------------------------------------ (c) copyright 1996. All rights reserved. No reprinting or quoting outside of this newsgroup or mailing list. ------------------------------------------------------ Article: 19093 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news From: agartha@mail.altantic-line.fr Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Problem with mapping AVI on LW4 Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 22:43:16 GMT Organization: CSI InterNetNews site Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4mreaa$5b@obelix.rain.fr> Reply-To: agartha@mail.altantic-line.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: pif.atlantic-line.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 When i try to map an AVI video with LW 4.0c,( under 95 and NT) the first image of the sequence stays druring all the frames of the scene. Is there a solution to this problem? -THANKS- Article: 19094 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Date: 8 May 1996 15:44:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 28 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> Ken Geary writes: >From: Ken Geary >Subject: NT Server problems? >Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:25:40 GMT >I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. >The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). >Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? >Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way >deal? I just found out that the Appletalk protocol on NT Workstation is >unusable and only there for developers. I am also looking into ALpha as >a possible option and found out you can't use a scanner, any other >limits? Is the loss of flexibility justified by render speed(2X or better >than PentPro 200MHz)? Thanks. There is a program out there and I cannot think of its name that allows a Mac to network with Microsoft OS computers. Ah! Found it! MacLan Connect 5.0 by Miramar. $149 from MacWarehouse. I have no experience with it personally. The ad says that the PC can mount the MAC drive as a logical drive and the MAC can access the PC through the chooser. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19095 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!everest.iserv.net!usenet From: $In_God_we_Trust$@but_not_in_our_schools? (Rex) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Has AMIGA been sold again? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:42:56 GMT Organization: Iserv.net, Grand Rapids, MI, USA Lines: 48 Message-ID: <31914c21.64924023@news.iserv.net> References: <4m4pv7$ihn@web3.tcd.ie> <705.6694T1328T1581@pixelfx.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup3.iserv.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 On Thu, 02 May 1996 14:23:06 GMT, Mal@pixelfx.demon.co.uk (Malcolm Lavery) wrote: >On 30-Apr-96 10:27:51, the dood Gaven Eogan said about Re: Has AMIGA been sold >again?: > >>>>>What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable box >>>>>manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter? > >>>It might matter to both of the remaining Amiga users. > >> Comments like that are beginning to piss me off... > >> There are alot more Amiga owners and Amigas in use than there are >> Silicon Graphics owners, or Sun workstation owners, or NT owners... > >> I would really like to tell you where to go with your snide and elitist >> comment but netiquette prevents me from using such four letter words... > >Well said that man!. > >Was it not the Amiga that gave birth to Lightwave?. Let it die man, I had 2-2000's a 030 2500, a 3000 and a 4000 w/toaster. I've sold them all except for one remaining 2000. (and a few thousand games) and we don't even use it for that anymore. It was the best - but over a year of no machines and little support has let it fallin way back. I'm not a PC user (again) left PC's for graphics! (amiga's) back in late 80's... with the great cdrom games and hi res 16.8 million color graphics cards now available - the best games are once again on PC - as is Lightwave. It runs faster and I can run it in extreme high res. I can also render frames of anims into AVI movies (which are limited only by my HD space) not the amount of ram I have (like on my old toaster4000 system). Using ULEADS video studio I can add transitions, fades, cuts, sound - all sync'ed with the video. I can play if via my video-artist card (Reveal) and play the anims full screen out to composite or s-vhs video. I didn't like it any more then you do - but let's face it - the amiga's dead meat. The only way it will come back is if some agressive company buys the rights to it and markets it back into the lime light. (but don't count on it). I really don't miss them, the PC's are crankin... I have two-100 mhz pentiums, 16 megs in ea. (soon 32 in this one) I have 4 meg diamond stealth vram cards in em, 16 bit strereo sound, and the two are networked together. (great for 2 player gaming!) The PC has finally surpassed the ole amiga. A shame - but true. Article: 19096 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!everest.iserv.net!usenet From: $In_God_we_Trust$@but_not_in_our_schools? (Rex) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LIghtwave frames to print CHEAP N EASY AT HOME Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:51:58 GMT Organization: Iserv.net, Grand Rapids, MI, USA Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31914f1b.65686381@news.iserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup3.iserv.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 I just picked up a FARGO PrimeraPRO printer (a few weeks ago) and it's fantastic. It is a true photographic quality printer. (not to be confused with the epson 720dpi stylus or others like it) this prints PHOTOGRAPHIC quality. It's a dye-sub printer and I can print rendered images from Lightwave (or scanned images from photoshop to for that matter) to 8.5x14 inchs. The output is remarkable... the printer only a shade over 1000.00 - and a 8x10+ sized print out runs in the area of 3.00 ea. (dye-sub ribbon and paper) I highly recommend it. (check out the FARGO web site for more info). Article: 19097 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing Date: 8 May 1996 19:12:17 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mr9oh$rt2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <19960508.777D760.F312@bbs.newtek.com> Reply-To: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >With the original page, the folks who were doing the programming (we weren't >doing much of it in-house) were unable to implement linking to our FTP site; NewTek's FTP site Um, OK, what was unimplementable about that? Interesting.... --Brian ====== http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/ ====== == Home of the rather large and mostly complete == ===== LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists ===== Article: 19099 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!thurgood.demon.co.uk From: Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:11:36 GMT Lines: 71 Message-ID: <831597144.14312.15@thurgood.demon.co.uk> References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4lq803$kjt@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1996Apr27.223518@cantva> <318680f5.2932720@news> <199 NNTP-Posting-Host: thurgood.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: thurgood.demon.co.uk Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91020 comp.graphics.animation:35377 rec.games.design:16166 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19099 0previously in comp.graphics.animation, TCM said: >Take 100 babies, visit them 20 years later... lets say 20 have spent consious >effort learning to program and can do so quite well. 20 different ones spent >effort learning to draw and can do so quite well. > >There are 60 people left who want to be neither programmers nor artists, sit >them down in front of a computer, give them a bit of training, IMHO none of >them would be as good as the people who spent several years learning to program. >Give the same people a pen and paper and I honestly believe there will be >people in that group of 60 who can draw _better_ than some of the 20 who spent >time learning to draw because they want to be artists. That was my point. > >This opinion all stems from my opinion that you can't learn to draw... this is >the way I think of it: >Everyone has a sort of inner eye, an ability to visualise, they have no >consious control over this and can't improve it, this degree of >visualisation is the limit of all they will ever be art-wise. What they can >learn is hand to inner eye co-ordination (Have I posted this theory before, I >can't remember), techniques and media to put their inner visualisation on >paper. The better they get at this, the closer to their 'limit' they get but >they will never be able to draw better than they can visualise. > >That is contravertial, if you know of something that puts a bullet in it >I'd be glad to hear from you but don't bother replying 'I dont think it works >that way' as I'm aware there will be heaps of people with that opinion - and >I'll respect it. > >> methodology. Total logic. Mathematic skills. Abstract thought. And >> more, the ability to see a project simultaneously on the very large, >> overall scale, as well as the minutae of indiidual details. These things >> are learned in everyday life, and are not at all unique to programming. >> Once you've learned these things, coding itself can be learned with little >> difficulty. In this way, learning these skills can be compared to >> 'doodling inside the cover of a textbook'.. and many of them can be >> learned by doing precisely that. > >I'm not sure that total logic, mathematical skills and abstract thought are >learned in everyday life, I'm sure I know of people who have never thought >logically in their life ;) >The Paradoxes of Implication only exist because of people's natural inability >to think logically. > >> That's the problem. I don't think that anyone would argue that 'shove in >> a random number, crank the gears, see what comes out' images are really >> true art by themselves. I won't say that nothing generated by a 3D >> program or KPT is artwork, but artwork requires more than simply "Hey, >> that's a cool looking texture. 'Apply' it." > >Something generated by Vistapro or KPT _is_ artwork, it's the programmers >artwork ;) I think the main difference is that programming is pretty exact. You get it wrong and nothing happens. With art you can get it slightly wrong. Colour ouside the lines and that. This will discourage most people early. As a result, the ones who stick with it are the ones who get it right most of the time. Drawing is much easier to get into, and as a result more people can learn to draw from an earlier age. BTW I believe that something created in a program like 3d studio is artwork as it requires quite a bit of work on the part of the artist to get good results. Something like vistapro needs no artistic skill. As to the amount payed to either programmer or arttist, I believe that it is individual. If the artist is willing to work for that price then that's up to him/her. If the programmer thinks that his game needs the graphics of this person then he/she will pay them more. -Steve Article: 19100 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!thurgood.demon.co.uk From: Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:11:38 GMT Lines: 27 Message-ID: <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4mdmau$cui@news1.mnsinc.com> <318B3F10.3E19@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: thurgood.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: thurgood.demon.co.uk Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91021 comp.graphics.animation:35378 rec.games.design:16167 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19100 previously in comp.graphics.animation, Bryant Reif said: >> no trivial task to be "good at programming" if your idea of "good" is >> like mine. Anybody can learn to read and write English, but how many >> great writers are there? > >I agree with this totally! The same can be said for artists however. Maybe it's just a personal thing, but how come there doesn't seem to be any really good artists nowadays. Or at least in galleries and such. Half the crap the have is not art. Whatever anybody says about 'expressing their inner feelings'. IMHO art is skill in portraying realism. To strive for photorealism. There are branch-offs like cartoons, which strive for character, and also require skill, but not as much. I was at an art place and I saw some of L.S lowry's paintings. A rough pencil drawing of a hand in the water. I mean rough. The hand was a stick, and the water was a few squiggles. The person has no artistic talent, but he has art gallery halls dedicated to his work. I went to that art gallery in London (just off trafalgar square) and there were some brilliant pieces, that looked very realistic. Nowadays most of the realsim seems to be in games or film or animation. Not conventional art. I've seen street artist draw better than some famous painters. -Steve (not really related too much, but still whatcha think?) Article: 19101 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nuclear.microserve.net!news From: vidbiz@microserve.net (GBG) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: HollywoodFX w/ Lightwave and Flyer Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 23:26:12 GMT Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)-380-INET Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31912ca5.1268547@news2.microserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1-73.wbgate1.microserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Has any one tried using HollwoodFX with Lightwave 4.0 and Flyer Clips.(4.1) The version I have (1.32) supposedly worked with the Flyer "beta" release. I guess with the Amiga downfall the company has since departed........ Any info..... George vidbiz@microserve.net Article: 19102 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 16:29:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 86 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <4mp26m$1td@tepe.tezcat.com> X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4mp26m$1td@tepe.tezcat.com> themaxx@tezcat.com (Karl Sjostedt) writes: >From: themaxx@tezcat.com (Karl Sjostedt) >Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack >Date: 8 May 1996 02:51:02 GMT >In article , >wturber@primenet.comTurbervilleIII says... >>The dongle makes pirating more difficult. It slows the process some. >>I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" >>of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use >>dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at >>what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people >>get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel port. >> I DO understand if the issue is that they are running out of IRQs though. >> >>I understand that the dongle causes (at times) very significant problems. But >>I don't understand how so many people can consider the protection of LW by >>NewTek to be such a minor problem. The real solution is for NewTek to get >>Sentinel to provide them a dongle that is RELIABLE! Better yet, how about >>reliable AND actually able to act as a passthru. >> >> >>Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com >>Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber >>http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber > A Dongle is one of the easier type of copy-protections to break (or so >I am led to believe). the crack for lw4.0 came out within days of its release >and so I wouldn't agree that it slows down the pirate distributors enough to >justify the problems that ANY dongle presents. Furthermore, since NewTek were >so slow in their initial distribution of LW4.0, I received my bought copy long >after the cracked version was out. > From doing a little checking around I found that the dongle crack is >actually just one very small file that works with a regular copy of LW so no >hacking into the actual program is needed. So not only is the dongle-crack easy >to distribute, it does not adversely affect the running of the actual program. > > To say that a dongle is even remotely effective in slowing or stopping >software piracy is absolutely ludicrous. And we all know that the dongle does >cause problems in people's systems (mine included, even with just my printer >sometimes), plus it costs money, it is possible to loose it, or have it stolen. >And NewTek apparently won't replace lost or stolen dongles. So what percent of people do you think troll the "crack" newsgroups looking for cracks. No doubt there are a lot, but how many compared to the total number of people who might consider "bootlegging" LW. Then there is the issue of getting the program code itself. Do you lock your car? Your house or apartment? Why? You know darn well that any decent thief will be able to defeat these devices. So why bother? Same story with a dongle. Moderate persistence will get you by the protection. It is easier to bootleg software without a dongle. This is obvious. Things that are easier - all things being equal - are more likely to occur. Which is why you lock your door (and then still buy insurance). Clearly the dongle does slow down the process. That is all a dongle can hope to do and that may be sufficient for NewTek's purposes. Sentinel isn't going out of business as far as I can see. Do you really think all of their customers are simple minded morons who are unaware of these issues? I'm also curious as to whether a Rev. B or Rev C. crack ever showed up. I don't think so. > I don't think the "build a better dongle" idea would work since I have >yet to hear about a dongle for any software actually working like it should >without one or many of the same problems that the LW dongle has. "I don't think pursuing powered flight makes much sense since nobody has been able to do it so far." That is the gist of what you just said in regard to the "better" dongle. Why try? Nobody has been able to do it yet. Gimme a break. > NewTek should just admit it was a stupid idea to begin with and remove >the offending code from their otherwise very cool program. > -But that's just my opinion... > -karl > Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19103 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!news From: chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW is an Island Date: Wed, 8 May 96 18:29:16 Organization: NewTek Technical Support Lines: 77 Distribution: world Message-ID: <19960508.7799658.10722@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.newtek.com On Mon 6-May-1996 19:17 , steve wrote: s> I get the impression that LW is sort of an island. I would like to see s> NewTek take the best of other apps and implement/improve/evolve/sythesize s> what they can (in addition to doing their own unique thing of course). s> After working for awhile with AfterEffects I can see how I as developer s> would take a good look at their Timeline - one of the best ways for s> keyframing/f-cruve editing I have seen- and adapt it for 3D. But its seems s> to be another world here. When you point out how cool another app is for s> having a certain feature LWers start getting defensive. If I said I liked s> Max because of TrackView, you are more likely to hear someone respond by s> saying "well Max's renderer sucks" than saying "hmm yeah some good ideas s> lets take its good points and make it better". s> s> This is just a generalized observation, don't take it personally. On Tue 7-May-1996 5:35 , William Teegarden wrote: WT> That is very true. Many LWer's here get very defensive when someone WT> suggests that another program my have a better implementation than LW WT> does, and immediatley point out the flaws in the other program. LW has WT> PLENTY of room for improvment, starting with certain situations and WT> circumstances in the renderer. I've used the software almost every WT> working day for the last 3 years, and have watched it go from 2.0 beta WT> to the current 5.0 release, and had a hand in it's development, and I WT> can say that it has come a very long way, but there is still much work WT> to be done. I have full confidence though that it will become the WT> software of choice among all digital artists in the near future. WT> GT Just to add NewTek's two cents, we find it very useful to hear from users who are familiar with a number of programs, and have constructive criticisms to offer regarding future development of LightWave. Personally, I'm not sure why some folks get so wound up about how they approach this. Very regularly we get messages which amount to "The world will end if you don't do this!", or "What's the matter with you! Why are you standing still!" (the latter usually begin about three days after a new release and continue steadily until the next). I see considerable numbers of those types of messages here in the newsgroups, as well as, mysteriously to me, folks who come here just to say that LightWave is no good compared to what they are using and everyone should abandon LW. Equally perplexing are those messages from folks who assert that LightWave can't be used for some particular purpose, which it just happens to be used for ("LW is no good for character animation!" Will Vinton Studios had their choice of anything on the market or near it, and selected LightWave for the M&Ms and Raid commercials. What didn't they know? Who forgot to brief them? Why are they still smiling all the way to the bank?). Ah, well! Everybody's gotta have a hobby. I also find it puzzling that some LightWave users would mind feature requests based on comparisons to other products. Survival and growth in the 3D software market will be the result of getting better faster than everyone else. I have observed that the product team deals much better with requests, suggestions, and comparisons expressed in a professional manner and with minimum angst level attached, but then that's true of humanity in general on most subjects. That's not to say we shouldn't hear angst, when we've caused angst. I've forwarded a great many messages from our online services, with my own note attached to the effect that someone's ticked at us, we deserve it, and we blasted well oughta do something about it. . ======================================================================== Chuck Baker | TekWorld: NewTek Tech Support BBS Technical Support Online Services | telnet address: bbs.newtek.com NewTek, Inc. | modem ports: 913-271-9299 ======================================================================== CompuServe: Go AmigaVend, NewTek; DTVForum, NewTek; GUGRPA, LightWave UG AOL: Keyword NewTek Email: Tech@newtek.com ======================================================================== Article: 19104 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip210.msp.primenet.com!user From: amigo@vaughn.com (Jose Alvarez) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Impact! ? Date: 8 May 1996 16:34:01 -0700 Organization: Vaughn Communications, Inc. Lines: 4 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <318ABEDD.914@ix.netcom.com> X-Posted-By: ip210.msp.primenet.com This manual situation is realy making me very upset. I'm sure their other PC products have manual. This is realy not fair for those of us who helped them get started by buying their products and helping them to get where they are now... :( Article: 19105 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip210.msp.primenet.com!user From: amigo@vaughn.com (Jose Alvarez) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Flyer HQ-6 quality video Date: 8 May 1996 16:42:02 -0700 Organization: Vaughn Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu> <4mqqlv$nau@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Posted-By: ip210.msp.primenet.com In article <4mqqlv$nau@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, toastrguy@aol.com (ToastRGuy) wrote: > In article <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu>, z931205@corn.cso.niu.edu (David > Kim) writes: > > >Anyone have the inside scoop on what technologies are being utilized > >to achieve HQ-6 level quality with the Flyer? > > > >Ultra SCSI? > >Fiber-Channel? > >FireWire? > > > > > > None of the above. The current Flyer Hardware is ready to do lossless D-2 > quality. It just needs a hard drive or array capable of sustaining a > transfer rate of up to 8 MB/sec if needed. Well... 8 MB/sec is no where near the 30 MB/sec needed to do lossless video! what gives? Article: 19106 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 16:45:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 41 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <1120.6701T229T631@mbox200.swipnet.se> <4mp38v$ht0@acmez.gatech.ed X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4mp38v$ht0@acmez.gatech.edu> ccasttt@prism.gatech.edu (Taka Torimoto) writes: >>Somekind of problem using a switchbox? >Guess what? The QuickCam doesn't work with a switchbox... I got a great >deal on a switch box ($20!) and it's useless now.. it's a pain when >i hafta turn off the computer, and switch cables just to use either my >HP printer or the QuickCam.. but luckily, i don't use the printer much... >now, in THIS case, it's SOFTWARE... that's friggin ridiculous... if I had >LW on my PC, I'd be using it ALL the time.. as a matter of fact, it's the MAIN >reason why I bought a PC.. but no.. i can't afford LW right now.. and it >even comes with a friggin donge... i use my quickcam often... >for now, i'm just putting up with LW 4.0 on my Toaster/Flyer/Amiga setup.. >but i'd much rather use LW on my P150 PC... >I don't have LW for the PC,.. I *WANT* LW for the PC... but: >1. I can't afford it >2. I hate the dongle... >I'd probably shell out the bucks if it didn't come with a dongle.. >-taka >-- >Takahito "Taka" Torimoto Sound Illusions Multimedia Studios Honestly folks. I don't like the dongle either. But I just don't get the logic of spending thousands on a PC - nearly a thousand or more on a program like LW and then getting bent out of shape for having to spend $30 or less on an I/O or parallel port card. If you want to get bent, lets all get bent on the taxes we spend on this stuff. Goodness gracious. Where are your priorities? Hey - I don't like losing the IRQ and slot either, but since you bought the PC for the express purpose of using LW -are you really gonna let a dongle get in the way? Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19107 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.miracle.net!mozart!not-for-mail From: cmod@miracle.net (Craig Modzelesky) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Know any ftp/web sites with Lightwave ob Date: 8 May 1996 23:45:59 GMT Organization: U.S. Miracle Communications Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4mrbnn$2nu@brahms.miracle.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: miracle.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Mark Dunakin (mad@torment.tmisnet.com) wrote: : On Wed 1-May-1996 3:59p, djmccoy wrote: : d> Sam Edsall (sedsall@ccmail.wiu.bgu.edu) wrote: : d> : Do you know of any ftp or web sites that have lightwave objects to : d> download? : : d> Check out tomahawk.grandi.com (via FTP), your one stop LightWave3D shop. : d> :) : ------------ : You mean, your one stop if you own an Amiga or if, by some slim chance you are LHA translator? heh.. I've had a copy of lha for abour 3 years now for the PC.. : able to find a LHA translater. I wish that they had more zip files. Article: 19108 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 16:48:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 34 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlrcr$f33@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4moio6$p0n@news.ox.ac.uk> X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35379 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19108 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16323 In article <4moio6$p0n@news.ox.ac.uk> Phil Stopford writes: >From: Phil Stopford >Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. >Date: 7 May 1996 22:27:18 GMT >I've used Imagine since version 2 and what you are claiming is quite true >in some aspects - the very large procedural texture library supplied WITH >the program (Lightwave is only just starting, 3D Studio really needs to >get it's act together) AND the effects that are bundled (explosions, >starfields, rotation, etc.). I've yet to figure out how to do some of >this in 3D Studio. >However, Imagine doesn't allow you to tile map except on flat objects >which is a major problem which has been in existence as long as the >program. >Personally, as one who used Imagine since version 2 and has kept up with >it up to and including its present version, I find 3D Studio much better >at processing large objects (virtual RAM may be sloow, but it gets the >job done), but Imagine has yet to be beat for those very cool, low memory >textures. For $200 it really cannot be beat and will run (albeit without >virtual memory) in 8Mb of RAM. >I'd like to see one of those SGI packages though ....... >Phil. Yep - and the 4.0 texture preview is way cooler than the one that came with 4.0 LW. Maybe the 5.0 LW has improved this? Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19109 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.miracle.net!mozart!not-for-mail From: cmod@miracle.net (Craig Modzelesky) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 23:51:45 GMT Organization: U.S. Miracle Communications Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4mrc2h$2nu@brahms.miracle.net> References: <4mlh33$rpk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: miracle.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Jesus christ.. the guy writes a whole page and all you fuckin comment on is his ignorant P.S. message? get a life.. VirtualBri (virtualbri@aol.com) wrote: : >P.S. The only thing that I can figure, is that the dongle people MUST be : a : >bunch of liberals, or something. Why else would they want to cram : something : >down everyone else's throught, JUST because THEY think it's RIGHT ? : : Whew, that's the type of intelligent discourse *I* read the newsgroup for. : I'd bother to continue the dongle thread, but there's no arguing with : fanatics, on either side. : --Brian : : ====== http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/ ====== : == Home of the rather large and mostly complete == : ===== LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists ===== Article: 19110 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0 Date: 8 May 1996 16:52:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 29 Sender: root@primenet.com Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4mjl7m$7ss@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4moguv$n6a@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4moguv$n6a@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () writes: > Rexx was born on the IBM systems. ARexx could almost be described as a > subset of the current Rexx as Rexx has been continualy upgraded. I believe > it is still used with OS2. However the availability of Rexx alone means very > little. Maybe it could be used with LW but beyond that i don't Know. What > made ARexx so great on the Amiga was almost all the major software players > had an ARexx port in their programs. Some more robust than others but the > port was there just the same. This offers excellent use of multitasking, > and Interprocess communication. This combo is pretty hard to beat. An example > would be where you render an image in LW and through an arexx command ADPro > processes the frames into an anim as they get rendered. On the PC even if > Rexx were available I don't seee developers adding the Arexx port to their > applications. I believe the major gate was windows inability to multitask, > nevermind interprocess communication. > -bill Yep - our first demo tape was created on an Amiga 2000 with a Toaster and a PAR. We had an AREXX script that ran the Toaster transitions and the PAR. My background is the PC, but the advantage of this "universal" interoperability really is huge. I'm sure that OLE and the related MS technologies have their place, but the ability to make programs from different manufacturers work together so nicely - with simple scripting - is such an obvious thing that it amazes me that every micro OS doesn't have it. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19111 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.miracle.net!mozart!not-for-mail From: cmod@miracle.net (Craig Modzelesky) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 23:54:52 GMT Organization: U.S. Miracle Communications Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4mrc8c$2nu@brahms.miracle.net> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: miracle.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) (wturber@primenet.com) wrote: : >I agree. I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of : my LW dongle. It is >NOT trasparant like they say. I had to make a decision : of what was more valuable to me, LW or the >QC. So my QC is sitting on the : self in its box. It really sucks that I had to make that >decision. I REALLY : shoudn't have to. Some people will say "buy another parallel port card". : >That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I shouldn't be : expected to spend. >Dongles suck! Their ineffectiveness is demonstrated : everyday with every "need lightwave crack" >message posted. I'd rather LW : just go w/ serial numbers instead. The fucking pirates will get >their : cracked copies of LW regardless. Let's focus on the USER not the stinkin' : pirates.>-- : : >Bryant Reif : >mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu : >http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant : : The dongle makes pirating more difficult. It slows the process some. Ohh yes .. very slow.. As I've heard.. Lw 5.0 was released out about a week or so ago.. and lets see.. My little neighbor pirate boy already has the cracked version.. it makes me sick, and also proves the fact that dongles suck and are a pain in the ass.. : I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" : of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use : dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at : what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people : get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel port. : I DO understand if the issue is that they are running out of IRQs though. : : I understand that the dongle causes (at times) very significant problems. But : I don't understand how so many people can consider the protection of LW by : NewTek to be such a minor problem. The real solution is for NewTek to get : Sentinel to provide them a dongle that is RELIABLE! Better yet, how about : reliable AND actually able to act as a passthru. : : : Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com : Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber : http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19112 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.miracle.net!mozart!not-for-mail From: cmod@miracle.net (Craig Modzelesky) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: BEST 5.0 UPGRADE PRICE? Date: 9 May 1996 00:00:43 GMT Organization: U.S. Miracle Communications Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4mrcjb$2nu@brahms.miracle.net> References: <4mdm8i$ng5@mackrel.fishnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: miracle.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Steve Axtell (steve@axtell.com) wrote: What constitues a user to be able to upgrade? Would the usage of another 3D rendering program allow one to purchase an upgrade for LW? I know that's how it works for word processors.. Thanks, Craig : Where is a good price for the upgrade? Newtek is $495 what is street : price? Ax : Steve Axtell / Axtell Expressions, Inc. : (805) 642-7282 steve@axtell.com : WEB SITE http://www.axtell.com : Article: 19113 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!news From: Jeff Jasper Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:56:56 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <319118A8.6389@osu.edu> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> Reply-To: jasper.7@osu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ts25-13.homenet.ohio-state.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35380 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19113 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16324 > Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there > is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You > know WHY SoftImage has such a good reputation as an animation application? > Cause its almost interactive rendering speeds. But thats on an SGI. Get it > on a Pentium without 128 MGS RAM and an open GL accelerator and it looses > all its advantage. Just another sluggish, cludgy modeling/animating app. > And after you get your system up to snuff compare it to NEW SGI technology > like the R5000 chip in the Indy - in both cost and performance. Then spend > your time scratching your head and asking why your animations still look > like shit - cause you don't have SoftImage's real rendering engine ported > to NT yet and Studio MAX still has the same sorry renderer that Studio > has. So go out and price out LightWorks or Pixar's rendering engine, then > see how your price comparisons work out - You guys buy ever line that > those liers at Microsoft shove at you..... SI actually runs faster on NT machines than it does on the SGI. The advantage is that SI NT is cheaper and faster than SI IRIX. It is far from cludgy. The Extreme NT version is already shipping or VERY close to being shipped. SI is better known for it's character animation abilities anyway. MAX uses a new renderer. It is nothing like the old one. SGI software is outragously expensive which also gives an advantage to NT. I think you have a real personal problem with MS...Did Bill Gates kill your dog or something? He doesn't have hardly anything to do with SI development anyway, look to Canada, not Redmond for that. Jeff -- Sr. Programmer 3 Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design Emerging Technology Studio Article: 19114 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!news From: chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: UK Software Reviewing Under Fire (Was: j Date: Wed, 8 May 96 19:09:33 Organization: NewTek Technical Support Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: <19960508.7799658.113E7@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.newtek.com On Tue 7-May-1996 10:04 , snouty wrote: >snip< s> But if they want their product reviewed then they'll send it to s> me, and I can fill my column inches and get the job done, and everyone s> goes home happy. If they don't want to send it, then that's okay. s> Software is expensive, and I don't begrudge anyone not wanting to lash s> out product to anyone who calls up. I'm not crushed if they don't send me s> stuff, as apart from anything else that's not the point of the exersize. s> I'll review something else. But what smarts with NewTek is that I s> actually like their product an awful lot, and compared to a lot of other s> 3D programs I've seen lately it's still looking very good. (Refer: PC Pro s> issue 19 May 96) >snip< s> --- s> ------------------------------------------------------------- s> Phil South s> ------------------------------------------------------------- Are you trying to get a review copy? I've missed the earlier posts in the sequence. I'll forward this section of your message to the product team. Sales informs we provide each international distributor with a limited number of review copies to loan to reviewers -- if you have any contacts at DPS, our UK distributor, please check with them regarding this, and do be sure to let me know what result you get. ======================================================================== Chuck Baker | TekWorld: NewTek Tech Support BBS Technical Support Online Services | telnet address: bbs.newtek.com NewTek, Inc. | modem ports: 913-271-9299 ======================================================================== CompuServe: Go AmigaVend, NewTek; DTVForum, NewTek; GUGRPA, LightWave UG AOL: Keyword NewTek Email: Tech@newtek.com ======================================================================== Article: 19115 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!usenet From: jeffsj@execpc.com (Jeffery S. Jones) Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.rendering.misc,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE 5.0 Date: 08 May 96 16:33:54 +0000 Organization: Exec-PC BBS - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 44 Message-ID: <1495.6702T993T2738@execpc.com> References: <4mo9vh$bmq@steel.interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tadjikistan.execpc.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Xref: news2.cais.com comp.multimedia:57089 rec.video.desktop:20241 comp.graphics.animation:35382 comp.graphics.rendering.misc:2435 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19115 On 05-May-96 20:05:15, Gord Davison wrote: >Neteru wrote: >>Adam Ives Chrystie wrote: >>> >>> In <318BA7C8.3AAC@teldta.com> "Jeffrey D. Hoffman" >>> writes: >>> >>> >http://www.sharbor.com >>> >(800) 544-6599 >>> >>> >LightWave 5.0 Intel $1179.00 >>> >LightWave 5.0 Intel for School/Govt $ 715.00 >>> >LightWave Upgrade 4.0 To 5.0 Intel $ 479.00 >>> >>> You forgot this: >>> >>> LightWave Upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0 for school/gov $295 >>> -- >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator >>> Cinema/Video Major, Senior >>> University Of California at Santa Cruz >> >>Are there any cross platform upgrades? From Amiga 4.0 to Intel 5.0? AFAIK, not anymore. At least, none other than 3.5 or earlier to 4.0, which was the cross-platform upgrade used. It can't hurt to ask, of course. >I know I'm pushing my luck here, since LW is a very good value for the money, >but is there a competitve upgrade offer from other competing packages? My >company has a few licenses of "other" 3D software [as well as several LW >licenses], so I was just wondering. Yes. But I don't remember what programs qualify. But www.newtek.com should have the info. -- *-__________________________ | *Starfire* | _________________________-* Jeff Jones email:jeffsj@execpc.com *//* Amiga Lives! |Born *TFG* *Starfire* Design Studio *\\//* 1985-1994, |again 1995! -- Article: 19116 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.usa.net!earth!jgjones From: jgjones@earth.usa.net (James Jones/Nibbles and Bits) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LW Mailing List: MIA? Date: 9 May 1996 00:04:47 GMT Organization: Internet Express (800-592-1240 customer service) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4mrcqv$58u@shiva.usa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.usa.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Anyone really know what the story is with the LightWave mailing list? I, and at least a few other subscribers, have been messageless (if that's a word) for over two weeks now. And "subscribe" posts to it's supposed new home (tomahawk) elicit nothing but silence. So, is it down? Is it out? Is it on vacation in Bermuda? -Jim James G. Jones Nibbles & Bits jgjones@usa.net Article: 19117 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!wonderland.zikzak.net!user From: vulpine@zikzak.net (Trevor Powell) Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:32:35 +1000 Organization: Vulpine Software Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4lq803$kjt@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1996Apr27.223518@cantva> <318680f5.2932720@news> <199 NNTP-Posting-Host: lazar.zikzak.net X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b4 Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91029 comp.graphics.animation:35383 rec.games.design:16168 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19117 In article <831597144.14312.15@thurgood.demon.co.uk>, Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) wrote: > BTW I believe that something created in a program like 3d studio is artwork as > it requires quite a bit of work on the part of the artist to get good results. > Something like vistapro needs no artistic skill. > > As to the amount payed to either programmer or arttist, I believe that it is > individual. If the artist is willing to work for that price then that's up to > him/her. If the programmer thinks that his game needs the graphics of this > person then he/she will pay them more. People are misunderstanding my statements.. You can certainly get artwork out of programs like 3d Studio and VistaPro. It's a case of "Garbage in, garbage out". It's simply that VistaPro has raised the "mirror-ball" level, so that a prettier grade of garbage can be generated with no human thought, skill, dedication, or insight. Article: 19118 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.fibr.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip073.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 17:29:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 34 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <1865.6701T233T562@mbox200.swipnet.se> X-Posted-By: ip073.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <1865.6701T233T562@mbox200.swipnet.se> videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) writes: >>I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" >>of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use >>dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at >>what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people >>get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel >>port. >What's wrong with a switchbox? > Örebro Videoreklam - We sell Amiga/DraCo products! > -------------------------------------------------- > Videoproductions - 3D graphics - Renderservice The main problem with a switchbox is that you can only do one thing at a time through it. On a PC, the price of a switchbox and a parallel port is about the same. We don't do a ton of printing so we only have one printer. However all workstations can print to this printer. So the workstation with the printer attached has two parallel ports and can be used full time for LW and still give access to the printer. The other workstations have no use for their parallel ports except as dongle holders. A switchbox on an Amiga may be a good solution considering that Amiga parallel ports cost more than a PC one. It may be a good choice on a PC if you are running out of those stinkin' IRQs too. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19119 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!wlbr!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!cg57.esnet.com!torment!mad From: mad@torment.tmisnet.com (Mark Dunakin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Message-ID: Date: 8 May 96 11:35:24 PST Organization: Tierra-Miga BBS Lines: 72 On Tue 7-May-1996 7:13a, fwtep wrote: f> On 5/6/96 1:14AM, in message , Mark Dunakin f> wrote: f> > P.S. The only thing that I can figure, is that the dongle people MUST be f> a f> > bunch of liberals, or something. Why else would they want to cram f> something f> > down everyone else's throught, JUST because THEY think it's RIGHT ? f> > f> > sorry if I'm tooo rude, but I've had it with LightWave problems.... f> > I just want to get to work, and can't!!! f> > f> Nowhere in my post did I say that I love the dongle idea, nor do I think f> I've f> seen it posted by anyone else. What I have said, however, is that I f> haven't f> had any problems or malfunctions in using it. I can't understand why f> people f> here seem to be having so many problems. I have two dongles and five f> parallel f> devices hooked up to one card via switchbox and they all work fine. I'm f> not f> saying that it's impossible to have problems, but I think at least *some* f> of f> the people here must be doing something wrong. f> As for the need for copy protection, I see plenty of people complaining f> about f> the new prices and upgrade prices; well imagine what those prices would be f> without the dongle as protection! The dongle might not stop professional f> pirates for very long, but it does a very good job of stopping casual f> pirates--the cracked versions don't work right, or will not continue to f> work f> right because of all the layers of protection. With a market as small as f> Lightwave's, ANY small amount of piracy can have a major impact on f> revenues, f> and this hurts ALL OF US. Not just in prices, but in features too. If f> the f> alternative to dongles (or whatever) is that Lightwave dies and I can f> never get f> new versions any more, then I'll live with the dongles. They may not be f> perfect, but none of the alternatives are either. I don't think it's fair f> that f> I have to pay taxes either but I do and I live with it. The world isn't f> fair. f> Is that news to anyone? Get over it already. f> By the way, aren't YOU trying to cram the anti-dongle crap down our f> throats f> just as much as we're cramming the pro-dongle crap? f> -- f> -=Fred=- ------------- I thought that you said you weren't cramming the pro-dongle crap down anyones throught......My whole point was, "and you just gave another example of it", is that there ARE other ways to protect the software. And like you just said, that none of the protections are fool-proof, so if that's the case, and I don't think it is so, then some other method that dosen't require this type of a device that could possibly break down, could be used. And all I meant by the pro-donle people, is that, it's the same kind of thought that goes into the thinking, that putting bars on your house so that the criminals can't get in, is the way to stop crime, or at least a burglar. And of course that means that the law abiding person is the one who ends up living in a jail while the bad guy runs a free reign. And I'm NOT trying to cram anything down anyone's throught, but when will you see that after you pay for something, you shouldn't have to keep paying and paying and paying.......The only thing that would cure this kind of thinking is for your dongles to screw up. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone, including you.....md Article: 19120 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!wonderland.zikzak.net!user From: vulpine@zikzak.net (Trevor Powell) Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:49:16 +1000 Organization: Vulpine Software Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4mdmau$cui@news1.mnsinc.com> <318B3F10.3E19@pilot.msu.edu> <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lazar.zikzak.net X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b4 Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91030 comp.graphics.animation:35384 rec.games.design:16170 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19120 In article <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk>, Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) wrote: > previously in comp.graphics.animation, Bryant Reif > said: > > Maybe it's just a personal thing, but how come there doesn't seem to be any > really good artists nowadays. Or at least in galleries and such. Half the crap > the have is not art. Whatever anybody says about 'expressing their inner > feelings'. IMHO art is skill in portraying realism. To strive for photorealism. Well, lemme just say that I disagree fully. While personally I strive for "photorealism" in my art (and usually challenge myself by striving for realistic images of things which don't exist in our world), that is not the definition of art. Seeing as people keep misunderstanding my statements, here's my definition of art. 'Art' is the act of provoking an emotional response from the viewer. That's it. That's why "mirror-balls" are not artwork and never will be. That's why fractals and free-view stereograms are not artwork. And that's why classic paintings (the Mona Lisa, for example) have never ceased to inspire us, to mystify us, to beguile us, and to intrigue us. I'll mention that the term 'art' is not confined to 'artwork', but extends to literature, acting, and all other avenues of creative expression. Trevor Powell Article: 19121 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.ftech.net!news From: julianc@IntelligentWave.com (Julian R. Coombes) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:07:05 GMT Organization: Aquarius Solutions Ltd Lines: 82 Message-ID: <31913eb2.6430666@news.ftech.net> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ak078.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35385 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19121 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16329 mjmackin@io.org (Matt. ) wrote: >Steph Greenberg wrote: > >>InstntGuts wrote: >>: experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but >>: it aint!...> > >>: ...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last >>: statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D >>: Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these >>: programs -- in my opinion. > >>: My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality >>: renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply >>: doesn't know how to use the package properly. > >>"High-quality renderings" doesn't equal high quality character animation, >>or high quality seamless integration of photo realistic objects >>in live action plates, etc. Certainly you can get high quality >>renderings, but what exactly are the limitations that separate >>PC programs from SGI programs? > >>: -- Jon > > >I'd say about $8000-$15000 dollars and a whole lot of ego. I saw a >really good demo of SoftImage for an SGI, and said wow, and was really >blown away by it. > >Three days later I went to a demo of the 3DStudio Max software, and it >had some features that were not in SoftImage (but are scheduled for >the next release). It was missing other features that softimage had, >but I would have to say that they were very closel matched. > >Now, hardware use to make a differance, but some of the new 3d >accelerator boards are closing that gap. The new Glint chip cards are >doing more than a SGI Iris2 is. Why are you spending the money when >you aren't getting more value for the dollar?? > >mjm > > The real issue here is to look at what SGI offers currently and will offer in the future. From my limited knowledge it appears that SGI offers extremely powerful hardware with software that takes advantage of the hardware in order to produce excellent 3D graphics/Animations etc. The whole question of SGI market share revolves around the gap between their powerful hardware and (as far as this thread is concerned) the PC market. For instance if the power of say a quad-processor pentium pro with NT approached that of a Mid-range SGI graphics workstation for half the price, then sooner or later the software would arrive on NT and SGI's market share would erode to what is currently their high-end workstations. So this leaves SGI with two options, one is to keep forever pushing the power of their high-end workstations and developing software to take advantage of the hardware, thus keeping their "superior" image and price margins, or secondly to continue to increase the power of their hardware while competing directly with the NT systems that start to encroach on their low-end territory. I can't believe that the second option here is possible because that would make SGI a 'mass market' company and significantly reduce profit margins in a competative market. Therefore the only option for SGI is to continually produce great hardware, develop superior software, and hope that the Windows NT community don't catch up. After all if SGI can produce machines that are significantly faster than the rest of the bunch, with software that takes advantage of the extra performance, then someone's going to buy them for twice the performance/dollar ratio, if only because they're 'top of the range'. Julian. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julian R. Coombes //\\ //\\ // Aquarius Solutions Ltd. julianc@intelligentwave.com // \\// \\// U.K. ====================================================== "If the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, decomposition results in loss." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19122 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip21-015.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing Date: 8 May 1996 18:22:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 44 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4mgjhs$d2g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <318EAF30.3B5D@ix.netcom.com> X-Posted-By: ip21-015.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <318EAF30.3B5D@ix.netcom.com> Elliot Bain writes: >From: Elliot Bain >Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing >Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:02:24 -0400 >Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote: >> >> >> We paid $800 for non-upgrade versions of LW 4.0 and have ordered upgrades at >> about $450. I guess that means we are around $75-100 in behind, but then we >> have had a lot of use of 4.0. >> >> The one thing that really points out that Newtek doesn't seem too concerned >> about taking care of its user base is that the full version is being made >> available weeks sooner than the upgrade packages. Gosh - who do they >> think will be helping their grassroots marketing? Well not me. I >> don't have anything to say about 5.0 cuz I don't have it yet. It >> isn't really a huge deal, but remember back in August/September when new >> orders (new cash flow) were shipping sooner than pre-release upgrades (no >> cash flow)? (Note: NewTek denied this, but there was far too much evidence to >> the contrary IMO). I suppose NT can get away with this because their product >> represents such a good value. It just might backfire at some point in the >> future. Or has it already? >> >> Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com >> Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber >> http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber >I ordered my update at NAB and received it last week. My local dealer has the >update also, so I'm not sure that your observation is the case, this time around. >-- >Elliot Bain I got word from Select Solutions yesterday that they had 5.0 in. I should have it tomorrow. So I think you are right. The info from Anti-Gravity that I was basing this on is apparently wrong. It appears that upgrades and full versions ARE shipping at very close to the same times. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19123 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip21-015.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Flyer HQ-6 quality video Date: 8 May 1996 18:27:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 35 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu> <4mqqlv$nau@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Posted-By: ip21-015.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article amigo@vaughn.com (Jose Alvarez) writes: >From: amigo@vaughn.com (Jose Alvarez) >Subject: Re: Flyer HQ-6 quality video >Date: 8 May 1996 16:42:02 -0700 >In article <4mqqlv$nau@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, toastrguy@aol.com >(ToastRGuy) wrote: >> In article <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu>, z931205@corn.cso.niu.edu (David >> Kim) writes: >> >> >Anyone have the inside scoop on what technologies are being utilized >> >to achieve HQ-6 level quality with the Flyer? >> > >> >Ultra SCSI? >> >Fiber-Channel? >> >FireWire? >> > >> > >> >> None of the above. The current Flyer Hardware is ready to do lossless D-2 >> quality. It just needs a hard drive or array capable of sustaining a >> transfer rate of up to 8 MB/sec if needed. > Well... 8 MB/sec is no where near the 30 MB/sec needed to do lossless >video! what gives? Well, I could be wrong, but isn't D2 lossy? Also, I think D1 is less than 30 MB/sec. I think the RGB colorspace of a 24 bit file is larger than is supported in NTSC Video - tho I could be wrong. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19124 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave From: scorpio@dave-world.net (Robert K. Williams) Subject: Re: LW5.0, do I need NT 3.51? References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Date: Thu, 09 May 96 01:23:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.153.58 Message-ID: <319148d6.0@nt.dave-world.net> Lines: 12 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nt.dave-world.net!Pentium In article , Des McPherson wrote: >Do I need NT 3.51 to take advantage of the OpenGL stuff in 5.0 or will >my 3.50 be ok. > > You do not need NT, but at least Win95. I do not believe Win3xx supports OpenGL. Of course, IMHO, NT is the only way to go. Can't wait for 4.0! regards, v v ************************************** Rob K. Williams (. .) * AmigaDOS: The OS my Pentium 100 * a.k.a. scorpio 8 * wants to run, when it grows up! * LIGHTWAVE RULES! @_| ************************************** Article: 19125 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave From: scorpio@dave-world.net (Robert K. Williams) Subject: Re: LW 4 manuals repetitive References: <960405235211934@FrontierTech.COM> <318E93BC.73D9@hypertec.com.au> <4mq503$lb8@orb.direct.ca> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Date: Thu, 09 May 96 01:24:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.153.58 Message-ID: <3191492f.0@nt.dave-world.net> Lines: 9 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nt.dave-world.net!Pentium In article <4mq503$lb8@orb.direct.ca>, kharmel@Direct.CA (Kurt Harmel) wrote: >I sure would rather have spiral bound books, than the cheap binding >they've beem giving us. I'd pay extra for that! Yes, that would be extremely nice. regards, v v ************************************** Rob K. Williams (. .) * AmigaDOS: The OS my Pentium 100 * a.k.a. scorpio 8 * wants to run, when it grows up! * LIGHTWAVE RULES! @_| ************************************** Article: 19126 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip21-015.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 8 May 1996 18:50:04 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 30 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <4mrc8c$2nu@brahms.miracle.net> X-Posted-By: ip21-015.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] >: >: The dongle makes pirating more difficult. It slows the process some. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Ohh yes .. very slow.. As I've heard.. Lw 5.0 was released out about a week or so ago.. and lets see.. My little neighbor pirate boy already has the cracked version.. it makes me sick, and also proves the fact that dongles suck and are a pain in the ass..> god knows my printer worked fine before LW.. It is more trouble to locate a crack and a software disk or files than it is to locate the files by themself. I can get into the typical house - and I am not a knowledgable burglar. Most cars too. Does that keep YOU from using locks. NewTek - no doubt - has a good idea how quickly these cracks come out. They still use the dongle. Just like you and I still use locks - knowing full well that a person doesn't have to be that clever to defeat them. Our printer works fine. It is a simple matter to get a printer to work on a PC without passing thru a dongle. From the trouble I have seen, I would NEVER plug a printer into ANY LW dongle. Personally, I think NewTek should just seal off the passthru side of the dongle and declare it non-functional for passthru purposes - or at least warn the user of the risks. An available parallel port for LW use exclusively should be listed as part of the system requirements as well. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19127 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 18:50:04 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 74 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mrj0c$dl2@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> <31913eb2.6430666@news.ftech.net> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35390 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19127 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16330 Julian R. Coombes wrote: : The whole question of SGI market share revolves around the gap between : their powerful hardware and (as far as this thread is concerned) the : PC market. For instance if the power of say a quad-processor pentium : pro with NT approached that of a Mid-range SGI graphics workstation : for half the price, then sooner or later the software would arrive on : NT and SGI's market share would erode to what is currently their : high-end workstations. So this leaves SGI with two options, one is to : keep forever pushing the power of their high-end workstations and Well, a two processor Pentium Pro should be equal to or better than an SGI Extreme2, and the higher DEC Alpha based machines should be better than or equal to an Impact. The software is starting to arrive on NT. And the problem SGI is failing to address is that the market is expanding, with a lot of work slowly migrating to the NT platform based machines. So SGI might sell more workstations, but their influence will be reduced by increased volume picked up by the NT machines. : developing software to take advantage of the hardware, thus keeping : their "superior" image and price margins, or secondly to continue to : increase the power of their hardware while competing directly with the : NT systems that start to encroach on their low-end territory. They can't do it alone. And I'm seeing the PC as a hotbed of evolution, with cards like the NVidia doing direct patch rendering without subdivision, a much faster way than the way SGI currently handles it. There will be far faster turnaround of technology in the PC environment, just due to the number of players involved. SGI's two year product cycle is simply too long in this day and age. And Maya won't be able to carry the SGI alone. : I can't believe that the second option here is possible because that : would make SGI a 'mass market' company and significantly reduce profit : margins in a competative market. Therefore the only option for SGI is : to continually produce great hardware, develop superior software, and : hope that the Windows NT community don't catch up. After all if SGI I've written this entire post while waiting for a frame update in Alias. Alias has unmatched features today, but there are quite a few software developers nipping at their heels. I seriously don't believe SGI has what it takes to stay in the workstation market, though I also don't see much competition in the high end, balls flat out realtime yet. : can produce machines that are significantly faster than the rest of : the bunch, with software that takes advantage of the extra : performance, then someone's going to buy them for twice the : performance/dollar ratio, if only because they're 'top of the range'. That's a big "if". I remember them promising the Impact would have the performance of a 4 proc Onyx at the '94 Siggraph, and it doesn't. Not by a long shot. Just because SGI's workstation days are numbered, so far as market share goes, doesn't mean they're out of the game. It just means alot of people in the future will be saying SG what? Who's that? : Julian. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. 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When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19128 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip21-015.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: 8 May 1996 19:00:07 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 37 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4lq803$kjt@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1996Apr27.223518@cantva> <318680f5.2932720@news> <199 X-Posted-By: ip21-015.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91034 comp.graphics.animation:35392 rec.games.design:16171 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19128 In article <831597144.14312.15@thurgood.demon.co.uk> Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) writes: >I think the main difference is that programming is pretty exact. You get it >wrong and nothing happens. With art you can get it slightly wrong. Colour ouside >the lines and that. This will discourage most people early. As a result, the >ones who stick with it are the ones who get it right most of the time. Drawing >is much easier to get into, and as a result more people can learn to draw from >an earlier age. If this were true, there would be no program bugs. As it is, there are virtually no bug-free programs. We had a client that was QUITE concerned that some mattes didn't appear to be lining up during editing. It created a "little color outside the lines". (BTW - it was an edit bay / tape deck problem - not ours.) Computers are a "dime a dozen". The first program I wrote on a micro was to calculate the speed in gears for my '73 Firebird. That was on a $50 TI/994a. Drawing is easier to get into because writing tools are pervasive. I think that if you talk to the average person, you would find that most find drawing fairly difficult and intimidating. >BTW I believe that something created in a program like 3d studio is artwork as >it requires quite a bit of work on the part of the artist to get good results. >Something like vistapro needs no artistic skill. >As to the amount payed to either programmer or arttist, I believe that it is >individual. If the artist is willing to work for that price then that's up to >him/her. If the programmer thinks that his game needs the graphics of this >person then he/she will pay them more. >-Steve Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19129 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip21-015.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: 8 May 1996 19:03:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 43 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4mdmau$cui@news1.mnsinc.com> <318B3F10.3E19@pilot.msu.edu> <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> X-Posted-By: ip21-015.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91035 comp.graphics.animation:35393 rec.games.design:16172 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19129 In article <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) writes: >From: Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve) >Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game >Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:11:38 GMT >previously in comp.graphics.animation, Bryant Reif >said: >>> no trivial task to be "good at programming" if your idea of "good" is >>> like mine. Anybody can learn to read and write English, but how many >>> great writers are there? >> >>I agree with this totally! The same can be said for artists however. >Maybe it's just a personal thing, but how come there doesn't seem to be any >really good artists nowadays. Or at least in galleries and such. Half the crap >the have is not art. Whatever anybody says about 'expressing their inner >feelings'. IMHO art is skill in portraying realism. To strive for photorealism. >There are branch-offs like cartoons, which strive for character, and also >require skill, but not as much. I was at an art place and I saw some of L.S >lowry's paintings. A rough pencil drawing of a hand in the water. I mean rough. >The hand was a stick, and the water was a few squiggles. The person has no >artistic talent, but he has art gallery halls dedicated to his work. >I went to that art gallery in London (just off trafalgar square) and there were >some brilliant pieces, that looked very realistic. Nowadays most of the realsim >seems to be in games or film or animation. Not conventional art. >I've seen street artist draw better than some famous painters. >-Steve (not really related too much, but still whatcha think?) Realism is not a good measure of art. If you want to see good art, pick up almost any periodical. Browse the record stores (LP albums used to be wonderful). Art is all around you. You needn't go to a museum. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19130 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 8 May 1996 19:07:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 43 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mrk06$fai@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> <319118A8.6389@osu.edu> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35394 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19130 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16331 Jeff Jasper wrote: : > has. So go out and price out LightWorks or Pixar's rendering engine, then : > see how your price comparisons work out - You guys buy ever line that : > those liers at Microsoft shove at you..... : SI actually runs faster on NT machines than it does on the SGI. The advantage : is that SI NT is cheaper and faster than SI IRIX. It is far from cludgy. The This cannot go unchallenged. SI/NT is not multithreaded, so it can't take advantage of multiprocessing. And I've used it on equivalent machines, and the SGI version is a little faster (about 15%). This can be chalked up to the fact that SI is not NT native, but is running an IRIX emulator. It might be a different story when SI is fully NT compliant. : renderer. It is nothing like the old one. SGI software is outragously expensive : which also gives an advantage to NT. I concur. If the PC/NT developers can get their heads out of their butts, and get their programs up to the functional/feature level of Alias and Softimage, they will be *much* faster than most SGI programs, which suffer from major code bloat. Right now, Alias, while still slow, offers a level of functionality we can't get from Max, Lightwave or Animation Master. Yet. I also regard SGI as being more monopolistic than Microsoft. When you buy a program designed to run on SGI, you can't run it on a DEC, or Sun, or HP, even though they all run Unix. You MUST buy only an SGI. With NT, you get your OS for under $500, and pick the machine you want to run it on to suit your needs and budget. Hopefully, SI will be the first of many software developers to expand their market. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19131 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news.PBI.net!foothill.net!oronet!news.netzone.com!phx-ip-92.netzone.com!user From: jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:06:26 -0700 Organization: Center for Advancing Computer Technologies Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mpkf1$l1m@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: phx-ip-92.netzone.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35395 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19131 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16333 > skellener@aol.com (Skellener) writes: > > >Prediction: > > >The next 5 years will see the decline of SGI workstations. Better cheaper > >software on cheaper workstations will always win out. Just look at what > >they come up with every year at SIGGRAPH. That's not to say ILM will stop > >using SGI's but look at what's being done now on PC's. Had SGI not bought > >Alias/Wavefront they'd already be gone. That is their strong > >hold...software...not hardware. Every year PC's get closer and closer and > >cheaper and cheaper to what people want SGI's for and SGI knows it. And while every ones standing around saying. "see, almost as good as an SGI/Alias..." SGI and Alias are working on MAYA and their R10,000's which will put them well ahead of the pack again. As was pointed out in Variety's last issue, people aren't coming to Animation/Effects houses asking for "The same stuff that was done last year." Their asking for better - because the audience expects better. And just when everyone else is getting almost as good - the best is getting alot better. If anything the audience for much output is getting MORE demanding. And to meet their demands you can either work ona machine/software that is built for it or something that was built desperately hoping to immitate it. I'll stick with the innovators rather then the immatators any day. Joe Article: 19132 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!usenet From: tkrego@norden1.com (Tim Krego) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW is an Island Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 02:39:36 GMT Organization: pro.image Lines: 5 Message-ID: <31915a24.6244949@news.alt.net> References: <4mmnf5$7h7@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4mqotv$mqb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 >NewTek's marketing is sad (they can't write press releases The ones posted a few weeks ago from NAB'96 were pathetic. NewTek used to be great at marketing, look at the intial Video Toaster coverage in mags like Rolling Stone, Time, Newsweek, etc. Article: 19133 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 03:16:14 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4mro1u$9b9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mpkf1$l1m@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: nbenami@uiuc.edu (Noam Ben-Ami) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35398 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19133 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16335 jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) writes: >And while every ones standing around saying. "see, almost as good as an >SGI/Alias..." SGI and Alias are working on MAYA and their R10,000's which >will put them well ahead of the pack again. Actually, we say, "look, Joe doesn't have a clue, hahahaha!" >As was pointed out in Variety's last issue, people aren't coming to >Animation/Effects houses asking for "The same stuff that was done last >year." Yeah, good old jimbob came to me yesterday asking for a fully articulated fish character for jimbob's bait and tackle shop's spot during the NBA finals. >Their asking for better - because the audience expects better. And just >when everyone else is getting almost as good - the best is getting alot >better. Quick clue Joe. "alot" isn't a word. >If anything the audience for much output is getting MORE demanding. And to English isn't your native language, is it? >meet their demands you can either work ona machine/software that is built >for it or something that was built desperately hoping to immitate it. I'll Or you can just use Joe's TRS-80 running his super duper IRIX 3.0 emulator. Ooooh. >stick with the innovators rather then the immatators any day. Another quick suggestion Joe: don't use words whose spelling you are unsure about. Andone final suggestion: give it up. You're clueless. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will have taken the first step towards adulthood. -- Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers. http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY. Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon, Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio... Article: 19134 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: Lance Gray Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Crosstalk on Flyer?!? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 22:15:03 -0500 Organization: Empire Productions Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <31916337.3A6A@airmail.net> References: <3190F0B9.151C@airmail.net> <3191177A.4271@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal38-21.ppp.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: news2.cais.com rec.video.production:42581 rec.video.desktop:20248 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19134 zike@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: I first noticed it when using the IFFtoClip arexx routine from the editor folder. Interesting...I've used the IFF2Clip script numerous times! I'd hate to think that this is where my problem started! ______________________________________________________________________ > more often when I was just editing clips and fading to black. NewTek tried to tell me it was my 23 to 15 pin adaptor I was using with my Multisync monitor, so I hooked up a 1084S. WRONG > New-Tek!!! They then told me that it was the center frequency adjustment, so they faxed me the > instructions and I went through all the steps. Wrong New-Tek!!! I have autohued and Flyer > calibrated 20 times and still get some faint image of the preview buffer bleeding through the > program output. We need HELP!!! Unfortunantly, Lee Stranahan's insight on Toaster things is probably very correct! There's something we're not being told! I've had the Flyer since .9 and used the toaster for 2 years prior to the Flyer with this problem only once with the YC+ board....but I KNOW for a fact this is only something that has just started happening. Reason being, I've used the fade at the end of numerous projects so it will do an AUTOMATIC fade to black---I've NEVER seen this until a couple of days ago! I mean...it's real obvious...not just a minor bleed through! On top of the fact that absolutely nothing has changed in my setup...and I have been using the 1084S the entire time! But of course, from what it sounds like...NewTek will be of no help! I've checked all the cables, etc. unplugged & re-plugged and have yet to find the real reason! Again, I'm open to suggestions---I really thought the original problem would be solved with the infamous "just autohue again" but NOPE! This hacks me!?! _______________________________________________________________________ Lance Gray (empire@airmail.net) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped** "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed, for the spirit of GOD rests on you." 1 Peter 14 ________________________________________________________________________ Article: 19135 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!lakesis.fapesp.br!news.rdc.puc-rio.br!usenet From: raphael.rosenthal@bbs.centroin.com.br (Raphael Rosenthal) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Flyer HQ-6 quality video Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 07:19:32 GMT Organization: PUC-Rio - Pontificia Universidade Catolica Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4mroei$cda@pucaix.rdc.puc-rio.br> References: <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu> <4mqqlv$nau@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.84.253.201 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 toastrguy@aol.com (ToastRGuy) wrote: >In article <4mmpvq$s52@corn.cso.niu.edu>, z931205@corn.cso.niu.edu (David >Kim) writes: >>Anyone have the inside scoop on what technologies are being utilized >>to achieve HQ-6 level quality with the Flyer? >> >>Ultra SCSI? >>Fiber-Channel? >>FireWire? >> >> >None of the above. The current Flyer Hardware is ready to do lossless D-2 >quality. It just needs a hard drive or array capable of sustaining a >transfer rate of up to 8 MB/sec if needed. What array does 8MB/sec sustained? (I believe Conner nStor does, but the drives are wide-scsi...) The drives must be AV, or non-AV works? I will be using RAID 0 or 1? This "lossless D-2 quality" is equal to first generation BetaSP tape? Thanks for the answers. Raphael Rosenthal raphael.rosenthal@bbs.centroin.com.br Article: 19136 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: rpowers@earthlink.net Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Crosstalk on Flyer?!? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 03:46:52 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4mrpg8$7ol@peru.it.earthlink.net> References: <3190F0B9.151C@airmail.net> <3191177A.4271@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <31916337.3A6A@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool034.maxb.los_angeles.ca.us.dynip.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.cais.com rec.video.production:42587 rec.video.desktop:20249 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19136 Lance Gray wrote: >zike@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > I first noticed it when using the IFFtoClip arexx routine from the >editor folder. > Interesting...I've used the IFF2Clip script numerous times! I'd >hate to think that this is where my problem started! >______________________________________________________________________ >> more often when I was just editing clips and fading to black. NewTek tried to tell me it was my 23 to 15 pin adaptor I was using with my >Multisync monitor, so I hooked up a 1084S. WRONG >> New-Tek!!! They then told me that it was the center frequency adjustment, so they faxed me the >> instructions and I went through all the steps. Wrong New-Tek!!! I have autohued and Flyer >> calibrated 20 times and still get some faint image of the preview buffer bleeding through the >> program output. We need HELP!!! > Unfortunantly, Lee Stranahan's insight on Toaster things is >probably very correct! There's something we're not being told! > I've had the Flyer since .9 and used the toaster for 2 years >prior to the Flyer with this problem only once with the YC+ board....but >I KNOW for a fact this is only something that has just started >happening. Reason being, I've used the fade at the end of numerous >projects so it will do an AUTOMATIC fade to black---I've NEVER seen this >until a couple of days ago! I mean...it's real obvious...not just a >minor bleed through! On top of the fact that absolutely nothing has >changed in my setup...and I have been using the 1084S the entire time! >But of course, from what it sounds like...NewTek will be of no help! >I've checked all the cables, etc. unplugged & re-plugged and have yet >to find the real reason! Again, I'm open to suggestions---I really >thought the original problem would be solved with the infamous "just >autohue again" but NOPE! This hacks me!?! >_______________________________________________________________________ >Lance Gray (empire@airmail.net) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped** > "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed, > for the spirit of GOD rests on you." 1 Peter 14 >________________________________________________________________________ I think this is a problem that is inherent in the YC+ board. I have had this problem since adding the YC+ to my system. I think it is only really noticable with black. I called the tech at YC+ and he told me it was normal to have this with the YC+ board. Article: 19137 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: rpowers@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Saving Frames as Flyer Clip Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 03:54:02 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4mrptn$7ol@peru.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool034.maxb.los_angeles.ca.us.dynip.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I tried to do this for the first time with the 4.0 lightwave that came with the 4.1 flyer cd and it didn't work. I selected the proper drive name as it says in the manual (not FA0: but the other name). Lightwave kept crashing. And also the icon for loading Lightwave directly doesn't work. I have to go into the Flyer switcher and then to Lightwave. If anyone knows anything about these bugs please help. Thanks, Robert. Article: 19138 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ptd.net!news From: gbg@prolog.net (GBG) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: HollywoodFX and LW/Flyer Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 01:56:00 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <318eab09.5662683@news.prolog.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs3-02.haz.ptd.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Has any one tried using HollwoodFX with Lightwave 4.0 and Flyer Clips.(4.1) The version I have (1.32) supposedly worked with the Flyer "beta" release. I guess with the Amiga downfall the company has since departed........ Any info..... George gbg@prolog.net Article: 19139 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inreach.com!usenet From: "Thomas M. Schaefer" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems- Amiga? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 21:53:14 -0700 Organization: Strategic Video Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31917A3A.1032@inreach.com> References: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.245.152 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB2 (Win95; I) To: "Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)" How about connecting an Amiga to an NT server machine? Is there a way to do this other than TCP/IP, which I have found slow and inconvenient. I can't get NFS to show the drives of either machine. Article: 19140 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3 Date: 9 May 1996 00:41:57 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mrt2l$5lg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Well, the word us that DEC wants to really push Alpha as a desktop system....the prices will drop, but a big system for LW will still be a little pricey - Memory and speed concerns.....still, $6000 will buy you a lot of workstation most likely _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19141 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!in2p3.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.inap.net!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: lensman@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: NT3.51 File Mgr & LW4.0 Date: 8 May 1996 13:18:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4mq6v1$mo@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co12-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 08 8:18:25 AM CDT 1996 Hi all. At first I thought this was off topic but maybe not. I have a single P-133 w/ NT3.51 workstation w/ Perception & P: w/ system HD partitioned as C:(FAT) and D:(NTFS). D: is dedicated to only LW (D:\NEWTEK) and has run fine for months. Suddenly, File Mgr D:\ says NO FILES. I've done the following: VIEW | BY FILE TYPE | set to *.*. I log on as administrator. SECURITY | PERMISSIONS | set to Everyone Full Control. WINDOWS | REFRESH | doesn't help. D: | FILE | SEARCH | reveals all the files are there. Lightwave & Modeler run fine. Content Dir. is D:\Newtek. NT3.51 is only OS. FILE MGR bottom bar says: 634MB free 800MB total | Total 0 files. COMMAND PROMPT D:DIR reveals all the files. COMMAND PROMPT C:DIR D:\ /S reveals all files, Total 3004 files. DISK | STOP SHARING doesn't help. I was using LW when I first noticed FILE MGR said NO FILES. Could LW somehow be associated with not being able to use FILE MGR to see the D: files since Newtek all that is in there? Do I need to reinstall WINFILE.EXE? Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. TM. Lensman@ix.netcom.com Article: 19142 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.digex.net!access1.digex.net!erniew From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE 5.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:49:38 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <19960508.798A5B8.F5F8@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: erniew@access1.digex.net In-Reply-To: <19960508.798A5B8.F5F8@bbs.newtek.com> Paul Toohey wrote: > In layout when creating a scene using an object of the letter "H" [...] > lower half filling in with a triangle shape on the right side. Chuck Baker replied: > What did the H look like in Modeler 5.0? Was the extra polygon actually > present there? If not, you may simply be seeing a problem with OpenGL I bet the problem is the tripling algorithm used to "convexify" polygons for display by OpenGL. This is the same algorithm used by the Triple function in Modeler, which until recently was also adding spurious tri- angles to non-convex polygons. Sometime between 4.35 and 5.0, Modeler's Triple was apparently fixed, but it looks like the fix didn't make it into Layout. - Ernie Article: 19143 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: FAT or NTFS? Date: 9 May 1996 01:16:18 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mrv32$6cq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Is one file system preferable to the other for LW? Thanks Article: 19144 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: PP200 speed? Date: 9 May 1996 01:35:56 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ms07s$6o8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Just fired up my HP XU200 with 64 megs o' ram. I did the texture examples test in 50 seconds, and the DOF test in 3min 11 seconds. While these numbers blow away my Amiga they don't seem as fast as they should be... Anyone have a comparable machine and some benchmarks? Thanks. Article: 19145 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newshub.csu.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!cg57.esnet.com!torment!mad From: mad@torment.tmisnet.com (Mark Dunakin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Message-ID: Date: 8 May 96 22:04:40 PST Organization: Tierra-Miga BBS Lines: 27 On Wed 8-May-1996 2:25p, Ken Geary wrote: KG> I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. KG> The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). KG> Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? KG> Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way KG> deal? I just found out that the Appletalk protocol on NT Workstation is KG> unusable and only there for developers. ----- Just so you know, everyone I talked to didn't seem to have a clue about ethernetting with a Mac. But, it can be done and with ease. I have an Alpha system and a PowerMac and they both talk pretty darn good. What ended up being the deal, was that I needed a hub between the two machines. And everyone said that that wasn't nessisary, but they were wrong!...After spending a whole month trying to figure things out, I finally did it. As far as the to machines talking to eachother, NO PROBLEM :) .......If you have anymore questions about this, just let me know?.......MD -------- I am also looking into ALpha as KG> a possible option and found out you can't use a scanner, any other KG> limits? Is the loss of flexibility justified by render speed(2X or better KG> than PentPro 200MHz)? Thanks. -------- P.S. I am slowly starting to find this out. But some things work even when they aint supposed to. Like my Zip drive. I kept trying to get the software to work for the Zip, when I realised that I just plain didn't need the software that came with the Zip. Because NT handled it on it's own and works perfectly. Article: 19146 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!service-2.agate.net!usenet From: hileman@agate.net (John Hileman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: EPS to LWO??? Date: 8 May 1996 18:53:03 GMT Organization: Pyrite Design Group Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4mqqig$s1d@service-2.agate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pdg.sdi.agate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Is there a way to convert encapsulated postscript to lightwave object format? It seems to me that desktop publishing with besier curves and splines would translate to a 2D object in lightwave quite easily. Could someone point me in the right direction, or, if you prefer, shoot a dozen tiny little holes in my theory so i'll never bring it up again? :) thanks. Article: 19147 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!waynesworld.ucsd.edu!jlgerber From: jlgerber@waynesworld.ucsd.edu (Jonathan Gerber) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: 5.0 hits and misses Date: 9 May 1996 06:12:58 GMT Organization: The University of California at San Diego Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4ms2da$6rg@news1.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: waynesworld.ucsd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] got my version of 5.0 in the mail the other day, and was pleased as pie with the product overall. however, and I want this to be taken in the context of a devoted user voicing concern, it falls short on some fundamentals. 1) lightwave still does not have a flexable way of hierarchichly(sp?) representing models and surfaces. we need a window like in softimage or alias, (preferably softimage) showing parenting and links etc. we need to be able to rearange the object list... see asociated surfaces, etc. and please, as good as bones are, we still need a way to localize their effect in relation to the initial state of the model, so that bones wont inter act just because they happen to stray to near... and more importantly, the ik should be kicked up a knotch to allow for associations that are more fluid. I wanna grab the arm, not a target... ok I got that out of my system... Lest anyone read this that was responsible for lightwave 5.0, don't take this the wrong way. I love the product. I've used alot of them, and lightwave is my sentamental favorite. the basic interface is so nice and uncluttered...It keeps getting better and better... thanks oh, one more key feature... we need to be able to reorient the plane that textures are applied on ... a core need.....should be there... sorely missed jonathan gerber babbling guy Article: 19148 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!news From: artiste1@ix.netcom.com (Larry J. Jacobs) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 9 May 1996 02:16:19 GMT Organization: Arts & Algorithms Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4mrkhj$99e@ddi2.digital.net> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5_21.digital.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 >You >have no non-dongled 3D programs listed (unless you have Corel 6.0 and its >included Corel Dream package). > >I agree that a more elegant solution is needed. > > > >Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com >Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber >http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Walter, Yes I have Corel 6.0, I also have Truespace 2.0 & Imagine 4.0 (just ordered Imagine for Windows). None of these programs have Dongles. Granted these programs don't cost thousands of dollars, but it doesn't mean they aren't valuable or pirated. In fact probably the most pirated program ever is/was DOS and it is very inexpensive (comparatively speaking). I just feel the animation software providers (and others) are taking the easy way out to protect their software and it's at the expense of the honest user. I'm annoyed but just don't know what to do about it 'cept bitch. Believe me if Imagine improves it's user interface a bit (the function is definitely there & the price is right) the rest of the over-priced DONGLED crap will end up in the trash. That will be my simple statement. Larry J. Jacobs Arts & Algorithms Tampa, FL 33635 Article: 19149 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: gms2@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 01:11:22 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4mrupq$tr2@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns3-1.cc.lehigh.edu rickmay@cinenet.net (Rick May) writes: >->Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there >->is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You >then it isnt even close to be realtime. And, if you are talking about >hardware redraw speeds- you better check your facts. The Open GL boards on >these Pentium Pro machines are as fast if not faster than the Indigo 2 >Extremes redraw.. This is exactly what the guy was talking about: The I2Extreme is two years old! The Impact series are the current models, and yes, they are quite superior to any PC. All the ads from Intergraph, Deskstation, CoreMicro...they all make comparisons to the *Extreme* series, not the Impact. Check out last months CGW (April); they have an article that explains all this. ============================================================== | "No beer and no TV make | The Internet is full. | | Homer something something" | | | gms2@lehigh.edu | Go Away. | | www.lehigh.edu/~gms2/gms2.html | | ============================================================== Article: 19150 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!usenet From: Mark Midolla Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Once & for all does AmigaLW5 fully support CybGFX ? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 16:17:47 +1100 Organization: Hypertec Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31917FFB.5892@hypertec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: flu.hypertec.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) Once & for all does AmigaLW5 fully support CybGFX ? I mean everything, including anim and surface previews. Does anybody know ? Mark Article: 19151 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: Lance Gray Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Crosstalk on Flyer?!? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:39:23 -0500 Organization: Empire Productions Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3191931B.2FB4@airmail.net> References: <3190F0B9.151C@airmail.net> <3191177A.4271@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <31916337.3A6A@airmail.net> <4mrpg8$7ol@peru.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal13-23.ppp.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: news2.cais.com rec.video.production:42601 rec.video.desktop:20258 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19151 rpowers@earthlink.net wrote: > > I think this is a problem that is inherent in the YC+ board. I have > had this problem since adding the YC+ to my system. I think it is > only really noticable with black. I called the tech at YC+ and he > told me it was normal to have this with the YC+ board. That doesn't really surprise me...but it's not like it has ALWAYS looked this way!?! But yes, black is definately where it is the most noticeable! But why happen a year and a half after owning my Flyer???? I don't know--it's late--I'm tired--I give up for now! -- ________________________________________________________________________ Lance Gray (empire@airmail.net) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped** "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed, for the spirit of GOD rests on you." 1 Peter 14 ________________________________________________________________________ Article: 19152 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!usenet From: Mark Midolla Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: AmigaLW4 HIIP Jpeg saver doesnt work Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 16:36:35 +1100 Organization: Hypertec Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31918463.1B7@hypertec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: flu.hypertec.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) When I use the HIIP Jpeg saver, the image that is saved looks like its tiled 3 or 4 times across the screen. Know whats wrong ? Mark Article: 19153 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: fcap@aol.com (FCAP) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 5.0 Arrives! Date: 9 May 1996 02:03:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ms1s8$7g7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <318D6748.38BF@montreal.com> Reply-To: fcap@aol.com (FCAP) Metanurbs are a blast to work with, even on a slow 486 with 32ram. The one thing I did do pretty quickly was lower the skinning grid to 3 instead of the default 6, which makes an incredibly complex (lots of polys) object. Metamotion works pretty nifty and I loved the effector - great for putting 'life' in animals by using it as a kind of key framable lung inside a mesh. I don't think Metaballs is all that great since you seem to not be able to change the strength of the balls once you've created them (unlike 3d studio). This might be imporved in later releases but organic stuff is much easier with metanurbs anyway. Unlimited texture layers is a real blast - and having the option to now fade out an entire image map into the base color is very cool. I still wish LW had a way of darkening or lightening greyscale texture maps used as specular and reflection maps, so you wouldn;t have to go into Photoshop and adjust (maybe I'm missing something there). I love the blurfilter - really takes the edges off CGi objects and when using it, you almost don;t need antialiasing during tests - it looks that smooth. Open GL is a blast too. And all this on a little old 486 66. Article: 19154 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!cantva!misc335 From: misc335@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: How much does LW cost in the States? Date: 9 May 96 18:35:45 +1200 Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1996May9.183545@cantva> NNTP-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz On the suspicion that our local dealer has been er, liberal with his price markups, I'd like to find out what LW costs in the states. So, how much for: LW4.0 (before 5.0 was released)? Upgrade to 5.0? And I'd also like to know if there is/are/will be any of the following: Crossgrade from Amiga 4.0 to PC 5.0 while keeping use of Amiga version? crossgrade offer from Amiga 5.0 to PC 5.0, keeping use of Amiga? Thanks for any help Article: 19155 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.rain.org!usenet From: John Brandwood Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 21:48:21 -0700 Organization: RAIN Public Access Internet (805) 967-RAIN Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31917915.6CC2@mail.rain.org> References: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: @user07.term2.ventura.rain.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) Ken Geary wrote: > I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. > The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). > Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? NT Server defaults to optimizing memory for server performance rather than workstation performance, but you can change a setting in the registry to switch this back to the same setting NT Workstation uses. I found a good document on Microsoft's Web site about optimizing NT's performance. > Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way > deal? One way only, I'm afraid. NT can share a directory that the Mac can see, but NT can't see anything on the Mac (tested with my PM7200). Good luck, John. Article: 19156 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!xs4all!hell!richard Date: Tue, 07 May 96 16:28:46 GMT+1 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Distribution: world Subject: Re: Lightwave Benchmarks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: richard@hell.xs4all.nl (Richard Willkomm) Message-ID: Organization: -=The Hell BBS=- Call: +31-70-3468783 Lines: 51 In a message of 06 May 96 Dimitri Boschma wrote to All: DB> Rendering League table. DB> Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical DB> TV quality image. DB> Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) DB> Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) DB> Camera: DB> Trace Shadows ON DB> Medium Resolution (Video) DB> Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 DB> Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 DB> Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on DB> * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. DB> Motion Blur On DB> (This frame needs a 8.5M segment to finish in 1 pass) DB> Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time DB> --------------------------------------------------------- DB> Raptor3 NT3.5 32M 8.7M 4m 0s (Paging) DB> Alpha275M NT3.5 64M 8.26M 5m49s (Aspen) DB> P133 NT3.5 32M 8.76M 8M 8s (No Paging) DB> P120 Win3.11Wg 32M 8.7M 12m 6s (Paging) DB> P100 NT3.5 64M 8.76M 13m 32s DB> P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m DB> P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m (No Paging) DB> P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m DB> P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m DB> P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m (Paging) DB> DX4/100 Win4Wg 16M 2.2M 30m DB> DX4/100 Win95 16M 2.2M 33m DB> DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m (Paging) DB> DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m DB> A4000 (VMEM) 14M 2.2M 110m DB> I Will soon add a A2000/040/33mhz And A A4000/040/40Mhz..... DB> Dimitri Boschma DB> C U Soon, It might be better that I DON'T add my 030-33 :-( Could someone add a P166 with 32MB (EDO) on WIN95 and NT. #--------------------|---------------------------------------------# # ###### #### | Richard Willkomm --- Digital illusions --- # # ## ## ## | Gfx Co-Sysop The Hell BBS The Hague Holland # # ## ## ## | +31-70-3468783 # # ## ## ## | e-mail : richard@hell.xs4all.nl # # ###### #### | ++++++ ' KINK-FM rulez ' ++++++ # #--------------------|---------------------------------------------# -- Via Xenolink 1.982, XenolinkUUCP 1.1 Article: 19157 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!usenet From: wavelength@netwrx.net (Richard Garrison) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 06:36:30 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4ms7a8$dv9@news.paonline.com> References: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> Reply-To: wavelength@netwrx.net NNTP-Posting-Host: biaculeatus.netwrx.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) wrote: >In article <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> Ken Geary writes: >>From: Ken Geary >>Subject: NT Server problems? >>Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:25:40 GMT >>I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. >>The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). >>Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? >>Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way >>deal? I just found out that the Appletalk protocol on NT Workstation is >>unusable and only there for developers. I am also looking into ALpha as >>a possible option and found out you can't use a scanner, any other >>limits? Is the loss of flexibility justified by render speed(2X or better >>than PentPro 200MHz)? Thanks. >There is a program out there and I cannot think of its name that allows a Mac >to network with Microsoft OS computers. >Ah! Found it! MacLan Connect 5.0 by Miramar. $149 from MacWarehouse. I >have no experience with it personally. The ad says that the PC can mount the >MAC drive as a logical drive and the MAC can access the PC through the >chooser. He is going about it the wrong way. NT server is great for connecting to other NT based workstations. What he needs is NFS to network both systems. The latter program mentioned is a little cheaper but is it's speed your looking for in data transfer, a fast network card and NFS is the only productive way to go. And time is money so we are told. Article: 19158 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 96 08:32:41 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: max2-so-ca-47.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35401 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19158 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16342 On 5/8/96 1:55AM, in message , Joe Monahan wrote: > Its really quite simple mjm, > > Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there > is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You > know WHY SoftImage has such a good reputation as an animation application? > Cause its almost interactive rendering speeds. But thats on an SGI. Get it > on a Pentium without 128 MGS RAM and an open GL accelerator and it looses > all its advantage. Just another sluggish, cludgy modeling/animating app. > And after you get your system up to snuff compare it to NEW SGI technology > like the R5000 chip in the Indy - in both cost and performance. Then spend > your time scratching your head and asking why your animations still look > like shit - cause you don't have SoftImage's real rendering engine ported > to NT yet and Studio MAX still has the same sorry renderer that Studio > has. So go out and price out LightWorks or Pixar's rendering engine, then > see how your price comparisons work out - You guys buy ever line that > those liers at Microsoft shove at you..... > > Joe > OK Joe, I'll go over all of your good points first..........................Well, that takes care of your good points. Now onto the bad points: An R5000 chip is still slower and more expensive than the Alpha chips that have been around for almost a year. The new Alpha chips will be so much faster, they'll have to slow down just to laugh at the R5000 in the rearview mirror. No one's talking about running SoftImage on a P5 chip either--you need the P6. Price/performance, almost ANYTHING beats an SGI. You can get a P6 with SI starting around $15,000 and it will be way faster than anything even close to that price with an SGI label on it. -- -=Fred=- Article: 19159 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 96 08:36:36 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: max2-so-ca-47.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35402 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19159 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16343 On 5/6/96 11:32AM, in message <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, InstntGuts wrote: > instant mashed potatoes were good. People who haven't had extensive > experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but > it aint!...> > > ...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last > statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D > Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these > programs -- in my opinion. > > My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality > renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply > doesn't know how to use the package properly. > > -- Jon I agree. But I guess I haven't seen anyone who knows how to use Max or 3DS properly. -- -=Fred=- Article: 19160 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!usenet From: wavelength@netwrx.net (Richard Garrison) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LW 4 SGI 4 SALE or TRADE! Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 06:40:41 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4ms7i2$dv9@news.paonline.com> Reply-To: wavelength@netwrx.net NNTP-Posting-Host: biaculeatus.netwrx.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Well where are all you LW SGI user wannabee's? I have a copy of 4.0 on CD that has never been installed for sale or trade for two 4 gig hardrives, new of course. I need to feed my Alias monster. Article: 19161 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 96 08:40:33 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> <31913eb2.6430666@news.ftech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max2-so-ca-47.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35404 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19161 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16344 On 5/8/96 6:07PM, in message <31913eb2.6430666@news.ftech.net>, Julian R. Coombes wrote: > The real issue here is to look at what SGI offers currently and will > offer in the future. From my limited knowledge it appears that SGI > offers extremely powerful hardware with software that takes advantage > of the hardware in order to produce excellent 3D graphics/Animations > etc. > > The whole question of SGI market share revolves around the gap between > their powerful hardware and (as far as this thread is concerned) the > PC market. For instance if the power of say a quad-processor pentium > pro with NT approached that of a Mid-range SGI graphics workstation > for half the price, then sooner or later the software would arrive on > NT and SGI's market share would erode to what is currently their > high-end workstations. A dual processor Pentium Pro (which is available and a good deal) IS faster than almost any SGI workstation. > > I can't believe that the second option here is possible because that > would make SGI a 'mass market' company and significantly reduce profit > margins in a competative market. Therefore the only option for SGI is > to continually produce great hardware, develop superior software, and > hope that the Windows NT community don't catch up. After all if SGI > can produce machines that are significantly faster than the rest of > the bunch, with software that takes advantage of the extra > performance, then someone's going to buy them for twice the > performance/dollar ratio, if only because they're 'top of the range'. > > > Julian. > SGI _CAN'T_ produce machines that are even remotely faster than what's available in the PC world. They haven't for quite a long time now. -- -=Fred=- Article: 19162 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: Thu, 09 May 96 08:49:55 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4mpkgo$ds2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: max2-so-ca-47.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] On 5/8/96 1:03AM, in message <4mpkgo$ds2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Stranahan wrote: > Hey Fred - time IS budget. Trust me.... > > > _____________________________________________ > Lee Stranahan > > "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects > for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." > Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm > > Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm What I meant was that it's not the budget per se it's the time you put in, which, yes, is a matter of budget, but not always. If Ken stays up 12 hours instead of 48 hours, the budget is still the same, but the time that goes into the work is greatly reduced, therefore the quality suffers. -- -=Fred=- "I copied a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5 and sold it on the black market for $5000--and I can show you how to do it, too." Article: 19163 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: fwtep@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 96 08:51:02 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4mrupq$tr2@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: max2-so-ca-47.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] On 5/8/96 10:11PM, in message <4mrupq$tr2@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, gms2@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > rickmay@cinenet.net (Rick May) writes: > >->Your comparing old SGI technology (You mean Indigo2 I assume, since there > >->is no such thing as Iris2) to new PC technology - Apples and Oranges. You > > >then it isnt even close to be realtime. And, if you are talking about > >hardware redraw speeds- you better check your facts. The Open GL boards on > >these Pentium Pro machines are as fast if not faster than the Indigo 2 > >Extremes redraw.. > > This is exactly what the guy was talking about: The I2Extreme is two years > old! The Impact series are the current models, and yes, they are quite > superior to any PC. All the ads from Intergraph, Deskstation, > CoreMicro...they > all make comparisons to the *Extreme* series, not the Impact. Check out last > months CGW (April); they have an article that explains all this. > > ======= Yes, they all make comparisons to the Extreme--and they're all superior. -- -=Fred=- Article: 19164 Path: news2.cais.com!news From: B Hayes Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 5.0 hits and misses Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:27:34 -0400 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <31918246.5C62@pacificnet.net> References: <4ms2da$6rg@news1.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-27.pacificnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) To: Jonathan Gerber Jonathan Gerber wrote: > > got my version of 5.0 in the mail the other day, and was pleased as pie with > the product overall. however, and I want this to be taken in the context > of a devoted user voicing concern, it falls short on some fundamentals. > > 1) lightwave still does not have a flexable way of hierarchichly(sp?) representing models and surfaces. we need a window like in softimage or alias, (preferab > the object list... see asociated surfaces, etc. > and please, as good as bones are, we still need a way to localize their effect in relation to the initial state of the model, so that bones wont inter > act just because they happen to stray to near... > and more importantly, the ik should be kicked up a knotch to allow > for associations that are more fluid. I wanna grab the arm, not a target... > > ok I got that out of my system... Lest anyone read this that was > responsible for lightwave 5.0, don't take this the wrong way. I love the > product. I've used alot of them, and lightwave is my sentamental favorite. > the basic interface is so nice and uncluttered...It keeps getting better and better... thanks > oh, one more key feature... we need to be able to reorient the plane that > textures are applied on ... a core need.....should be there... sorely missed > > jonathan gerber > babbling guy John: Your concerns are valid,.. almost as far as a list of the hierarchy of the objects including all parented relation ships, Look at the scene panel. Have you ever noticed that objects that are parented to other objects are indented one notch? this will give you a quick over view of the structure of a skeleton or other famly units. I will agree that it is certainly not SI. And as for bones I hven't used any of the new features yet, but I thought that was exactly what they did. Brad Hayes http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes Article: 19165 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: scadet@zip.com.au (David Timperley) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Deluxe Paint for PC Date: 9 May 1996 09:46:44 GMT Organization: Zip Australia Pty Ltd Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4mseu4$bcd@the-fly.zip.com.au> References: <31893752.4E4A@ecf.toronto.edu> <4mbdi3$iig@pipe11.nyc.pipeline.com> <31896508.0@nt.dave-world.net> <318C27C9.1B0F@soho.ios.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zipper.zip.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Neteru (neteru@soho.ios.com) wrote: : > I had heard a rumor that Play had puchased Digital Creations, and that a : > version of Brilliance for the PC might be in the future. Can anyone confirm : > or deny this? : > : : OH PLEASE Let that be true!!!! I'ld hope it would be a Windows 32 bit app that would behave nicely under NT and : 95! : I' would buy that in a second. Unless it has a dongle, then I'ld wait and "get" it. yeah, but the barstads will do some thing stupid like make it on 24 bit which is what happened with ani pro -> ani studio Article: 19166 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: billhrgtn@aol.com (Bill Hrgtn) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Polygon reduction plug-in Date: 9 May 1996 05:50:15 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4msf4n$ckv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3190D39C.74E8@inetnebr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Did I remember seeing someone mention that 5.0 has a poly reduction plug-in??? I could really use that right now. That alone would be worth the upgrade price. Anybody try it yet?? How does it work? Bill Article: 19167 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 9 May 1996 06:09:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 28 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4msg8k$dah@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mrc8c$2nu@brahms.miracle.net> Reply-To: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >Jesus christ.. the guy writes a whole page and all you fuckin comment on is his ignorant P.S. >message? get a life.. Oh, thank you wise self-appointed moderator of this thread. It's obvious no one likes dongles, and some people seem to get rather hostile and aggrevated over having one and spew venomous hatred about it, while some people don't. What more is there to say? Certainly not much more intelligent than that, demonstrated by the posts, especially yours. >Ohh yes .. very slow.. As I've heard.. Lw 5.0 was released out about a week or so ago.. and lets >see.. My little neighbor pirate boy already has the cracked version.. it makes me sick, and also >proves the fact that dongles suck and are a pain in the ass.. god knows my printer worked fine >before LW.. Now, if what I wrote didn't add anything, did what *you* contributed? *Think* before you answer, oh wise one.... --Brian ====== http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/ ====== == Home of the rather large and mostly complete == ===== LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists ===== Article: 19168 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW is an Island Date: 9 May 1996 06:10:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 50 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4msga5$dbb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <19960508.7799658.10722@bbs.newtek.com> Reply-To: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >Personally, I'm not sure why some folks get so wound up about how they >approach this. Very regularly we get messages which amount to "The world will >end if you don't do this!", or "What's the matter with you! Why are you >standing still!" (the latter usually begin about three days after a new >release and continue steadily until the next). Well, Chuck, as one who has been catagorized as posting in the "The world's will end if you don't do this!" class, I've got some answers for you. When the carrot doesn't work, sometimes you have to bring in the stick. It's nothing personal against NewTek; it happens all the time. If you ask nice enough, enough times, and nothing happens, it's time for a new strategy. If a company thinks everything is hunky-dory, they're not going to do anything. Pardon me if this sounds obvious, but if it really is that obvious, then why is it that companies time and time again need reminding? Everyone at an individual level at NewTek is a good person, and has the best intentions at heart. But when you get enough people together into a coporation, it becomes a gigantic slothful mess. It's almost a forgone conclusion. As a customer, we sometimes have to remind you, "Hey, pay attention to me! Remember me, the guy who pays for this stuff?" And if we spend months asking nicely, like for a real version of 4.0, and we don't get it, then it's time for the stick. Sometimes it takes a while, or in the case of the Deskstation Alpha Debacle, things turn sour fast. And everytime we do get something, like new ads, 5.0 which ships about when they said it would, great new features, we shut up for a while. But we don't forget, especially after a long period of indolence from a company. I wasn't happy with NewTek's appearance at NAB. I said how it was going to go before hand, and mostly was correct. And I said what was wrong with what NewTek did after. But I'm willing to sit back a while and watch because some good things do seem to be happening. So what you sluff off as a "hobby", often is a deliberate strategy to get a company to do what they should be doing anyway. Believe me, I *hate* doing it. But often it gets results. And I look forward to the day when I don't have to do it in order to get things done. --Brian ====== http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/ ====== == Home of the rather large and mostly complete == ===== LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists ===== Article: 19169 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!gtnduss1.du.gtn.com!news.gtn.com!genesis.westend.com!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!usenet From: bernd@NeRo.Uni-Bonn.DE (Bernd Kreimeier) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing Date: 09 May 1996 08:19:46 GMT Organization: University of Bonn, Dept. of Comp. Sc. VI, Germany Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19960508.777D760.F312@bbs.newtek.com> In-reply-to: chuck@bbs.newtek.com's message of Wed, 8 May 96 16:57:24 In article <19960508.777D760.F312@bbs.newtek.com> chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) writes: > From: chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) > Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave > On Sun 5-May-1996 16:02 , Jean-Eric Hénault wrote: > > JH> NewTek doesn't seem to even know they have a Web page... it hasn't been > JH> updated for months now. Shame on them... > > Yes, shame on us. For some time we did not have anyone assigned to look after > the Web page. We do now, and programming on an entirely new Web page is > progressing well, and we should be putting it online ****within a few weeks.**** Excuse me, but this is ridiculous. Try one single page with 

...Insert announcements, price list, whatever here...
and add a pointer to this "plain style" page on the home page. That's a task 5min tops. The Net is about content. Take your time with the eye candy. In general, especially those companies selling tools for visual communication in the widest sense seem to have big problems handling Internet resources. Alias/Wavefront pages in mid 1995 have been worse, IIRC. Same for Autodesk. I remember a statement on "sorry our distributors address is not available as we have not yet done a scan of their prospectus" or something like that. Does anybody write anything nowadays? Not even talking about NerdsCrap and S/N. b. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Net works. It's the people that don't." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19170 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: MGA Impression Plus ,NT,LW5 & OpenGL Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <4moplc$3ul@mackrel.fishnet.net> Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:42:29 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: shf@netcom18.netcom.com +-- steve@axtell.com (Steve Axtell) writes: | Could anyone tell me if Lightwave uses a 16 bit depth buffer? LightWave uses as much depth-buffer as it can get. Why? -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" Article: 19171 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: instntguts@aol.com (InstntGuts) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 06:33:06 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mshl2$dgi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4moio6$p0n@news.ox.ac.uk> Reply-To: instntguts@aol.com (InstntGuts) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35407 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19171 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16350 Phil, if this stuff is so cool (I haven't seen Imagine), is there any possibility they would port it to other programs, such as 3D Studio MAX? -- Jon Article: 19172 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!uniserve!oronet!news.netzone.com!phx-ip-209.netzone.com!user From: jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:16:20 -0700 Organization: Center for Advancing Computer Technologies Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: phx-ip-209.netzone.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35412 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19172 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16353 Prediction: This guy hasn't seen what SGI has in the wings. Joe In article <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, skellener@aol.com (Skellener) wrote: > Prediction: > > The next 5 years will see the decline of SGI workstations. Better cheaper > software on cheaper workstations will always win out. Just look at what > they come up with every year at SIGGRAPH. That's not to say ILM will stop > using SGI's but look at what's being done now on PC's. Had SGI not bought > Alias/Wavefront they'd already be gone. That is their strong > hold...software...not hardware. Every year PC's get closer and closer and > cheaper and cheaper to what people want SGI's for and SGI knows it. > > > STEVE K. Article: 19173 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.inap.net!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: giorgioa@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Advanced Tutorial #6 - Bones Help Date: Wed, 08 May 96 14:35:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-nyc19-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 08 10:43:28 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] In the USER GUIDE Advanced Tutorial #6 "Using Bones" I added a spot light looking out from the inside the lamp. I Parented the light to the lamp but when I moved the bones to swing the lamp head around the light would not follow but stayed still. What do I need to do to get the light to stay attached to the bones influence so that lamp looks like it's illuminating from the bulb. I was thinking that maybe I parented the Light to a null object and then parented the null to the lamp. But I'm not to familiar with using nulls and what there full functions are. Any help would be appreciated. giorgioa@ix.netcom.com -- Giorgio E. A. giorgioa@ix.netcom.com Article: 19174 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!uni-paderborn.de!tally!ufo From: ufo@tally.uni-paderborn.de (Wen Ya Fo) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Fetching 3D graphics models in data cyberbases Date: 9 May 1996 10:47:30 GMT Organization: University of Paderborn, Germany Lines: 10 Sender: ufo@tally (Wen Ya Fo) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4msig2$rcu@news.uni-paderborn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tally-es.uni-paderborn.de Keywords: 3D components and 3D assembly parts of machines, motors, cars etc X-newsreader: xrn 8.00 Please direct me how to fetch 3D graphics data with DXF, IGES and STEP formats of components and assembly parts of telephone, coffee machine, washing machine, refrigerator, motor engines and cars etc. ? Regards Wen Ya Fo ufo@uni-paderborn.de Article: 19175 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail From: Ken Geary Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-User: (Unauthenticated) Reply-To: 174, Michael, Drive, Syosset, NY, 11791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ademco Message-ID: <3191DDFF.492E@ademco.com> References: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: 831643187/19541 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wsn37.ademco.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:58:55 GMT Lines: 37 Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote: > > In article <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> Ken Geary writes: > >From: Ken Geary > >Subject: NT Server problems? > >Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:25:40 GMT > > >I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. > >The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). > >Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? > >Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way > >deal? I just found out that the Appletalk protocol on NT Workstation is > >unusable and only there for developers. I am also looking into ALpha as > >a possible option and found out you can't use a scanner, any other > >limits? Is the loss of flexibility justified by render speed(2X or better > >than PentPro 200MHz)? Thanks. > > There is a program out there and I cannot think of its name that allows a Mac > to network with Microsoft OS computers. > > Ah! Found it! MacLan Connect 5.0 by Miramar. $149 from MacWarehouse. I > have no experience with it personally. The ad says that the PC can mount the > MAC drive as a logical drive and the MAC can access the PC through the > chooser. > > Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com > Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber > http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber--------------------------- Thanks, Walter, but been there-done that (I guess we should just type BTDT!). We have MacLAn Connect and they are only up to WIn95, with WInNT version due"the end of the year", except I can't wait and SoftWIndows looks like the best bet for now -BUT- if anyone else knows of a simple clean way to network WinNT to Mac w/ability to mount drives on either side, give me a buzz. BTW, I was experimenting with mounting the "P:" drive of my PVR on a network and found you can read but CAN'T write to it from another computer on the network. Article: 19176 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!Utrecht.NL.net!easy1.worldaccess.nl!usenet From: rdijk@worldaccess.nl (Rene van Dijk) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 06:51:59 GMT Organization: AT&T Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4ms1c6$qsg@easy1.worldaccess.nl> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <1865.6701T233T562@mbox200.swip NNTP-Posting-Host: wxs2-6.worldaccess.nl X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) wrote: >>The dongle makes pirating more difficult. It slows the process some. >How do you figure this? Pirates simply removes the calls to the dongle. It >would be smarter to put so much protection into the software that it becomes >VERY difficult and time consuming to remove it. More protection (read calls) will result in slower rendering. Newtek should use a better type of dongle. Sentinel is NOT the best dongle around. I have seen a 3DS MAX patch (uses sentinel superpro) various times on internet. I have recieved the dealer version last week.... Why are they using Sentinel everybody knows they are easly to break! I've tested a new kind of dongle transparant to 15! pieces and very hard to crack. >>I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" >>of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use >>dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at >>what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people >>get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel >>port. >What's wrong with a switchbox? Why should I pay more for their protection problem. Article: 19177 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail From: Ken Geary Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-User: (Unauthenticated) Reply-To: 174, Michael, Drive, Syosset, NY, 11791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ademco Message-ID: <3191DE50.F96@ademco.com> References: <3190AEE4.78B9@ademco.com> <31917915.6CC2@mail.rain.org> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: 831643267/19541 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wsn37.ademco.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:00:16 GMT Lines: 27 John Brandwood wrote: > > Ken Geary wrote: > > > I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. > > The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). > > Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? > > NT Server defaults to optimizing memory for server performance rather > than workstation performance, but you can change a setting in the > registry to switch this back to the same setting NT Workstation uses. > > I found a good document on Microsoft's Web site about optimizing > NT's performance. > > > Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way > > deal? > > One way only, I'm afraid. NT can share a directory that the Mac can see, > but NT can't see anything on the Mac (tested with my PM7200). > > Good luck, > > John. --------- Thanks, even one way is OK Article: 19178 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!alpha.sky.net!news From: blaise@dti.com (Blaise Fanning) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Do I need EDO ?? Date: 9 May 1996 12:12:28 GMT Organization: Deskstation Technology, Inc Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4msnfc$clv@alpha.sky.net> References: <4mqs8b$npc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: assman.dti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <4mqs8b$npc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jbooth411@aol.com says... > >In article , >oxleyd@logica.co.uk (David Oxley) writes: > >> >>According to magazine articles, EDO RAM is about 2% faster than non-EDO. >>Also, it's enough to have 256K PB cache; 512K doesn't give any >significant >>improvement over 256K, but both give ~28% improvement over none at all. >> >> > > That should be 20% faster.. EDO ram makes a noticable difference, even >with a great cache... > If (and only if) your motherboard is designed to use EDO RAM, it can effectively double what is called the "peak bandwidth" from the memory system. What this means to you greatly depends upon the CPU and cache that you are using. The more cache you have, the smaller the effect of the EDO RAM. I take grave exception to the assertion that 512k cache doesn't give any significant improvement over 256k, because that would imply that the 2M that we put on all of our high end systems is even more useless. According to the simulations that we did a couple of years ago (we used POVRay and actual hardware to measure the cache hit rates), few interesting raytracing tasks seem to fit even in 512k of cache. IMHO, if you want to use your machine for anything more complex than playing Solitaire, you should *first* spend your money on cache and *then* spend your money on EDO RAM. If your cache is soldered down to the board, then simply skip step 1 :-) Blaise Fanning VP Engineering DeskStation Technology Article: 19179 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!alpha.sky.net!news From: blaise@dti.com (Blaise Fanning) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Date: 9 May 1996 12:18:34 GMT Organization: Deskstation Technology, Inc Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4msnqq$clv@alpha.sky.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: assman.dti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article , mad@torment.tmisnet.com says... ----- > Just so you know, everyone I talked to didn't seem to have a clue about > ethernetting with a Mac. But, it can be done and with ease. I have an Alpha > system and a PowerMac and they both talk pretty darn good. What ended up > being the deal, was that I needed a hub between the two machines. And > everyone said that that wasn't nessisary, but they were wrong!...After > spending a whole month trying to figure things out, I finally did it. As far > as the to machines talking to eachother, NO PROBLEM :) .......If you have > anymore questions about this, just let me know?.......MD Mark, maybe I'm the one of the people who don't know what they're talking about :-), but it is my impression that if you have NT Server (as Ken originally said), then you can use its "services for MACintosh" to share drives with the Macs. Note that the "services for MAC" are *not* included on the NT Workstation CD. I will have to qualify this by saying that I've never tried it, but that I understand this to be the way that things are *supposed* to work. Blaise Fanning VP Engineering DeskStation Technology Article: 19180 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!alpha.sky.net!news From: blaise@dti.com (Blaise Fanning) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: PP200 speed? Date: 9 May 1996 12:30:59 GMT Organization: Deskstation Technology, Inc Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4msoi3$clv@alpha.sky.net> References: <4ms07s$6o8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: assman.dti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <4ms07s$6o8@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, thx1138871@aol.com says... > >Just fired up my HP XU200 with 64 megs o' ram. > >I did the texture examples test in 50 seconds, > >and the DOF test in 3min 11 seconds. > >While these numbers blow away my Amiga they don't seem as fast as they >should be... > >Anyone have a comparable machine and some benchmarks? > >Thanks. Your machine actually did just fine relative to the other one that I've heard about. You beat it on textures but it edged you out on DOF. If you wouldn't mind running the other two, I'd like to give them a shot at beating out the best times in the handy-dandy little benchmark chart I keep around Textures Dof Raytrace Zbufsort xP5/100 i80486/66MHz 1138 5173 45958 4679 sec 0.10 Pentium/90MHz 164 544 4499 411 sec 0.91 Pentium/100MHz 145 477 4276 386 sec 1.00 MIPS R4600/133MHz 133 473 3657 302 sec 1.08 Pentium Pro/150MHz 74 248 1940 211 sec 1.97 Pentium Pro/200MHz 50* 188 1497 160 sec 2.59** Raptor3 Alpha45/275MHz 57 187 1550 152 sec 2.60 Raptor3 Alpha5/300MHz 28 91 877 111 sec 4.56 Raptor3 Alpha56/366MHz 26 87 781 83 sec 5.26 * New record - Old one was 56 ** Not updated yet, because I didn't feel like looking for my calculator :-) Blaise Fanning VP Engineering DeskStation Technology Article: 19181 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news From: kharmel@Direct.CA (Kurt Harmel) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Where Oh Where Is LIGHTSPEED????? Date: 9 May 1996 13:03:48 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4msqfk$rbv@orb.direct.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: van-pm-0117.direct.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Well it's the 10th of May and no issue #6 of Lightspeed. I called to ask what was happening and the response I got was, "I duh know." Apparently a another letter will be sent out in a week explaining the delay. I guess I will recieve it in two. Does this mean that I won't see LS for at least another month? I know these guys have been bogged down with other products they're producing, but shouldn't the committment to the subscribber who has already paid for a product come first? Perhaps they are in desparate need of fresh capital, I couldn't say; but I wish someone would have told us before now what was going on. I don't mean to sound mean spirited, but if someone doesn't ask, how will we know? Article: 19182 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!peer.news.xara.net!xara.net!SoNet!usenet From: leelee Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Error 213 starting Modeler 5.0 Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 14:17:51 +0000 Organization: SoNet - The first Internet provider on the south coast Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3191FE8F.3381@aladdin.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.119.120.59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (WinNT; I) Hi David, We had the same problem and Newtek have made a cockup. They designed LW5.0 on an USA PC so if you go into the international settings and change the langauge setting from English to English (USA),this fixed ours. Any other probs give me a call. Don.... David Oxley wrote: > > I upgraded to LW5.0 last night. The installation appeared to be > successful. Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when > using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler. It pops up a dialogue box > saying: > > "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing" > > I've searched through the CD for a message file, but I don't really know > what I'm looking for. I thought it might be connected with the dongle, > but Layout runs OK, and 4.0 never had any problems. I reinstalled the > Sentinel driver just in case, but it made no difference. > > I would appreciate any help to sort out this problem. > > My system: P100/64MB/2MB Millenium/1GB HD/4xCD/WinNT 3.51 > > Best regards, > > -- > |David Oxley, Logica UK|SH5/HR 75 Hampstead Rd|+44 171 6379111x1800| > | |London NW1 2PL England|+44 171 3443633(fax)| > `----------------------^----------------------^--------------------' > All opinions expressed are mine, not Logica's. (this space for rent) Article: 19183 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!news.orl.mmc.com!NewsWatcher!user From: bill_l@magicnet.net (Bill Leonard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 09:14:11 +0100 Organization: cyber.lab g.f.x. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <4mqss1$nvm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.240.15.63 In article <4mqss1$nvm@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jbooth411@aol.com (JBooth411) wrote: > Hey guys, remember, Bill is a Mac user, who as far as I recall doesn't > even use lightwave, so what would he know? Yep, that's right... a Mac user... and an SGI user... no need to be a LW looser, er, I mean, user. Plently of other excellent software out there. Steph summed it up best when he said that there is enough lacking in LW to make it not cost effective in a production environment, due to the necessary workarounds. > > > > Jason Booth > Second Nature, Inc. > "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE > RICH!!!!" Bill Leonard - bill_l@magicnet.net cyber.lab g.f.x. Orlando, Florida Article: 19184 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!news-relay.us.dell.com!news.dell.com!not-for-mail From: pepper@dashi.dell.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Reciprocating Motion??? Date: 9 May 1996 09:57:20 -0500 Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4mt14g$b0l@dashi.dell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dashi.us.dell.com Hello, Does anybody have any suggestions for setting up IK for reciprocating motion (ie a engine piston or train drive wheel)? Thanks in advance, Ron. -- ***===--- Ronald Pepper - pepper@dashi.us.dell.com ---===*** Office: Braker F Server Group Phone: (512) 728-7638 Dell Computer Corporation All opinions are mine alone. Windows NT & UNIX Product Support Article: 19185 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news-relay.us.dell.com!news.dell.com!not-for-mail From: pepper@dashi.dell.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Reciprocating Motion? Date: 9 May 1996 10:14:59 -0500 Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 13 Sender: pepper@dashi.us.dell.com Message-ID: <4mt25j$b60@dashi.dell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dashi.us.dell.com Hello, Can anybody tell me a good way to set up a reciprocating piston (ie an engine or train drive wheel)? Thanks in advance, Ron. -- ***===--- Ronald Pepper - pepper@dashi.us.dell.com ---===*** Office: Braker F Server Group Phone: (512) 728-7638 Dell Computer Corporation All opinions are mine alone. Windows NT & UNIX Product Support Article: 19186 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!bt!usenet From:  scs@oyster. (Stuart Smith) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 9 May 1996 15:11:25 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4mt1ut$cdb@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318F5A2D.2BD@cyberoptics.com> <31900FD4.77A6@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: oyster.zoo.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Bryant Reif wrote: ->Yup, I had mentioned this before on the NG, but all I got was "but I wanna listen to CD's when I >use LW!", and "whatta pain to have to fish out the LW CD every time I want to use it." But until >Rain-blows Technologies can make a *transparant" dongle, this should be NT's solution to piracy. >Yes I know CD burners are going down in price, but they are still expensive enough that most >"casual" users don't have access to them. Couldn't they place a "secret" byte-code somewhere at >the beginning of the CD that contains a serial number? > Surely the fact that without the manuals, the software would be more or less unusable is sufficient protection. Lw is not like Windows progs with nice little RTF help files. Without the manual you would quickly loose interest in the package. What does it matter if 1000's pirate LW, if they can't really use it. The serious user will recognise it is a great product, and end up buying it (for the manuals, even if he has no concience). A product will have been sold which would otherwise not have been. The lamer will get sick of it quickly, and delete it. He would never have bought the product anyway, so what is the loss? I'd say you could make a better casae for using a dongle for something like Word, or Win95, where a user can use it easily without a manual, but with LW this just isn't the case. Stu Article: 19187 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: [AMIGA] Changing screen mode of Layout Date: 09 May 1996 09:11:28 -0600 Organization: HP Fort Collins Site Lines: 17 Sender: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsrk.fc.hp.com In-reply-to: videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se's message of 07 May 96 04:10:35 -500 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.9 videoking@mbox200.swipnet.se (Johan Otterstrom) wrote: > If LW5.0 for Amiga doesn't support CybergraphX I'm bailing out! If they can't > do it properly the might aswell drop it. What do you mean by "support"? After all, you *can* run both Modeler and Layout in CyberGdx modes now. But I agree, there is a lot that it would be nice to see improved. I'd really like to see the imagemap thumbnails etc take advantage of CyberGfx modes. This is very easy to implement. Some things, however, are probably difficult to do just given the bandwidth limitations of the Z-III bus. - steve Article: 19188 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!sgigate.sgi.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nstn.ca!news From: what@do.you.want. (Mack) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 15:18:46 GMT Organization: whatz up Lines: 75 Message-ID: <4mt2cm$co1@news.nstn.ca> References: <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mpfur$clk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mpkf1$l1m@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4mro1u$9b9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: not@here.no.more NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.torcomp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35416 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19188 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16379 In article <4mro1u$9b9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, nbenami@uiuc.edu says... > >jmonahan@netzone.com (Joe Monahan) writes: > >>And while every ones standing around saying. "see, almost as good as an >>SGI/Alias..." SGI and Alias are working on MAYA and their R10,000's which >>will put them well ahead of the pack again. > >Actually, we say, "look, Joe doesn't have a clue, hahahaha!" > >>As was pointed out in Variety's last issue, people aren't coming to >>Animation/Effects houses asking for "The same stuff that was done last >>year." > >Yeah, good old jimbob came to me yesterday asking for a fully articulated >fish character for jimbob's bait and tackle shop's spot during the NBA >finals. > >>Their asking for better - because the audience expects better. And just >>when everyone else is getting almost as good - the best is getting alot >>better. > >Quick clue Joe. "alot" isn't a word. > >>If anything the audience for much output is getting MORE demanding. And to > >English isn't your native language, is it? > >>meet their demands you can either work ona machine/software that is built >>for it or something that was built desperately hoping to immitate it. I'll > >Or you can just use Joe's TRS-80 running his super duper IRIX 3.0 emulator. >Ooooh. > >>stick with the innovators rather then the immatators any day. > >Another quick suggestion Joe: don't use words whose spelling you are >unsure about. > >Andone final suggestion: give it up. You're clueless. The sooner you realiz >e >this, the sooner you will have taken the first step towards adulthood. the maturaty exemplified in this statement shows Noam's obviously high level of maturity. you are a legend in your own mind naomi, opps, did i spell that wrong?(homer taunting voice used her) > >-- >Noam Ben-Ami is nbenami@ux4.cso.uiuc Solar Acoustics High Performance Speak >ers. >http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself O >NLY. thank god ..... >Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Par >agon, >Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, >PS Audio... i think joe is a little more correct in what he is saying then you give him credit for Noam, but after reading several of you mature posts befor I can understand the post above. can you really say something constructive or correct, or are you going to proceed in this Lightwave user version of penis envy? You get what you pay for. The Lightwave users for TV effects and the like are using custom and upgraded versions of Lightwave costing ten thousand dollars and more. running on expensive hardware. the modeling is rarely done in software, but digitized like most highend models. you think casper was modeled in software, please. really noam, get a life. Article: 19189 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Once & for all does AmigaLW5 fully support CybGFX ? Date: 09 May 1996 09:19:16 -0600 Organization: HP Fort Collins Site Lines: 23 Sender: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com Message-ID: References: <31917FFB.5892@hypertec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsrk.fc.hp.com In-reply-to: Mark Midolla's message of Thu, 09 May 1996 16:17:47 +1100 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.9 Mark Midolla wrote: > Once & for all does AmigaLW5 fully support CybGFX ? > I mean everything, including anim and surface previews. Surface previews I'd sure like to see. I've mentioned this before to Newtek. I hope they'll listen. Also, the refresh in Layout really needs to be sped up. (Modeler is at least usable, but Layout is just plain old hard to use right now). The anims might be difficult though. (I assuming you are talking about the preview anim in Layout). The problem is that the Amiga Graphics cards have to fetch data from memory over the Z-III bus when displaying animations. Z-III is pretty slow for doing animations at reasonable frame rates and resolutions. Consider: you maybe run Layout in 1024x768x8. How big is the view window? I dunno, let's guess 800x600. So 800x600 is just under half a meg per frame, and you want to preview at 30 FPS? That'd be about 15 Mb/sec, which is much faster than any Z-III graphics cards can go right now. And that is assuming perfect efficiency. - steve Article: 19190 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Speed Question Date: 09 May 1996 09:31:22 -0600 Organization: HP Fort Collins Site Lines: 31 Sender: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com Message-ID: References: <4l9r3g$bj9@news.electrotex.com> <4mafke$1hg6@mule2.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsrk.fc.hp.com In-reply-to: Ernie Wright's message of Wed, 8 May 1996 11:22:50 -0400 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.9 Ernie Wright wrote: > for the scene substantially exceed the amount of RAM in the machine. > And under those conditions, the Amiga will either stop altogether, > making it infinitely slower, or hit the virtual memory provided by a > third party product, obviating any advantage. It is NOT true that using VM has to dramatically hurt render performance. You can substantially exceed the physical memory size of a machine in LW and not degrade performance much at all, let alone have it "stop altogether". The important point is that LW's working set size is a small fraction of its total allocated memory size for a given scene, and there is strong spatial coherence which acts to restrict the working set even further. I have run some benchmarks in which I have rendered a 40 Mb scene on a 16 Mb A4000, and suffered no more than a 5% speed penality compared to rendering the same scene on machine that had enough ram to do it without swapping (48 Mb). There was *very* little swapping during rendering - perhaps one page fault every 30 seconds on average, with a brief period of about 10 seconds of paging activity at the beginning of the render during shadow map creation. Of course, for extremly short scenes the paging overhead will be a larger fraction of the total render time, but for most scenes it can be small. Only if the working set exceeds the amount of physical ram available need you suffer a severe performance penalty. - steve Article: 19191 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 09 May 1996 09:36:40 -0600 Organization: HP Fort Collins Site Lines: 11 Sender: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <1865.6701T233T562@mbox200.swipnet.se> <4ms1c6$qsg@easy1.worldaccess.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsrk.fc.hp.com In-reply-to: rdijk@worldaccess.nl's message of Thu, 09 May 1996 06:51:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.9 rdijk@worldaccess.nl (Rene van Dijk) wrote: > More protection (read calls) will result in slower rendering. Newtek There is no reason this cannot be insignificant. Do not take this to mean I like dongles. There are many valid objections to them, but this is not one. - steve Article: 19192 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!news.ossi.com!pagesat.net!origin.ea.com!newsmaster From: Robert Baldwin Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in action Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:15:28 -0500 Organization: Wacky Ultima Guys @ Origin Lines: 14 Message-ID: <31920C10.583D@origin.ea.com> References: <318D387B.6A75@desktopimages.com> <4mj5rb$4vo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbaldwin.origin.ea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) Stranahan wrote: > > Hey, I'm now 'classic Stranahan'! How old I feel.....with all the changes in LW 5.0, it's probably best to wait for our new tapes. And as great as B5 is, a lot of people seem to like the designs for Space : Above And Beyond better - if you do, Ken Stranahan's 5.0 tapes will show you how get that sort of look. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan -nothing personal, eh? (Shameless Plug Mode off) ;) Article: 19193 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!news From: what@do.you.want. (Mack) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: MGA Impression Plus ,NT,LW5 & OpenGL Date: 9 May 1996 15:52:32 GMT Organization: whatz up Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4mt4c0$co1@news.nstn.ca> References: <4moplc$3ul@mackrel.fishnet.net> Reply-To: not@here.no.more NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.torcomp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <4moplc$3ul@mackrel.fishnet.net>, steve@axtell.com says... > >I have the Impression Plus card that supports openGL and now that >Lightwave does too it should be compatible and accelerated. I do not >have LW 5.0 yet. Does anyone have the above card and use it with LW? > >Could anyone tell me if Lightwave uses a 16 bit depth buffer? > >Also - does anyone else use this video card with Windows NT? There >seems to be some confusion wheter the new NT drivers 2.13 will support >3D. What does this mean? Will it not support 3D acceleration? Or >should I use the old drivers with LW? > >Tech Support at Matrox is not too helpful, so anyone with info would >be appreciated, and maybe if we get together we can figure it all out. >Ax > > >Steve Axtell / Axtell Expressions, Inc. >(805) 642-7282 steve@axtell.com >WEB SITE http://www.axtell.com > if you have true open gl in you software and the open gl installed in your version of nt (service pack 2 and above i think, and definately pack 3), the matrox will accelerate at up to 800x 600 16 bit colour with it's most recent driver. Article: 19194 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!news From: Cam Wilson Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: 9 May 1996 13:23:02 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4msrjm$lra@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca> References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4lq803$kjt@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1996Apr27.223518@cantva> <318680f5.2932720@news> <199 NNTP-Posting-Host: bmerhdf.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/712) X-URL: news:831597144.14312.15@thurgood.demon.co.uk Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91087 comp.graphics.animation:35421 rec.games.design:16179 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19194 Steven@Thurgood.demon.co.uk (Steve): > I think the main difference is that programming is pretty exact. You get it > wrong and nothing happens. With art you can get it slightly wrong. Colour > outside the lines and that. This will discourage most people early. As a ah, the whole thing about art is that there is no "wrong". if it feels RIGHT to the artist, then it is right, and what anyone else thinks or feels is simply another interpretation of the ART. unless, of course, the artist is to work within some guidelines - and if he/she does not adhere to them, well then, _that_ would wrong. -- Cam Wilson * camw@nortel.ca La Villa... Tempus Fugit... Warm Wet Circles (you figure it out - and get back to me, man) Article: 19195 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: tran3d@zetnet.co.uk (Simon Blackledge) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Jumanji vs JP Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:14:57 +0100 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4mt6l5$12@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <4kveae$sc7@news.accessone.com> <3174F8C3.4BBD@atlanta.com> <4lqmg0$e1n@newshost.centrum.is> NNTP-Posting-Host: central.zetnet.co.uk In message <4lqmg0$e1n@newshost.centrum.is> hsj@centrum.is writes: > In article <317D6E81.7BE2@pilot.msu.edu>, reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu says... > > > >James McGowan wrote: > > > >> Just in case you didn't know but the lion was anamatronic ie. it was a gangaly > >> puppet, a very expesive gangaly puppet but a puppet none the less. > > > >What?! I seem to recall reading otherwise. > >-- > > > >Bryant Reif > >mailto:reifbrya@pilot.msu.edu > >http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant > The lion was a puppet, I saw the making of jumanji and they were playing around with > the lion puppet. I'm 100% sure > -- > ============================================================================== > Hordur Smari Johannesson | daElcLIppeRlETERELrotArstuDEUtOwc/PatChgnITovErAN > hsj@centrum.is | drsdIOaeproduCTIONBOOTHbROWnwaRPMuSIC/EmIMuSIc.HA > http://www.centrum.is/~hsj | sWelLTHedeSiGNeRsrEPuBliC.cunniNgHam&1995waRPrECO > Joel_ on irc | rds.PobOx474sHEFFIELDS13bW.mADEINengLAndINCOMPLEt > | ewIthoUtsurFacEnOISE.. Beam me up Arhh ,so those guys who worked on the hair program were doing in for fun??? I think not. Before anyone coments they should check there facts,or read the review in cine-fx.:-} -- tran3d@zetnet.co.uk Creators of Digital Visual Effects ----------------------------- -------------------T.R.A.N.S.M.I.S.S.I.O.N--3D/AV--------------------------- ----------------------------- Web site in the works Article: 19196 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!news From: Cam Wilson Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: 9 May 1996 14:15:47 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4msumj$oeb@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca> References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4mdmau$cui@news1.mnsinc.com> <318B3F10.3E19@pilot.msu.edu> <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bmerhdf.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/712) X-URL: news:wturber.126.097540A3@primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91091 comp.graphics.animation:35424 rec.games.design:16181 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19196 wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) wrote: >Realism is not a good measure of art. Yes! >If you want to see good art, pick up almost any periodical. Browse the record >stores (LP albums used to be wonderful). Art is all around you. You needn't >go to a museum. Nnnnnno... i'd say the majority of stuff in the media today is not good art. mostly poorly or overdesigned, way too slick stuff that people are trying to pass off as superior due to the fact that they used the most popular and expensive computer software around. there are a few good examples of art on albums and magazines, but in general, i'd say the future of art (at least in the media) ain't good. oh, it'll always be there - good or bad, but it's becoming too easy for underqualified, untrained folks to just start punching buttons in order to come up with slick eye candy for the masses. please go to a gallery or a museum... that's where it all began. -- Cam Wilson * camw@nortel.ca La Villa... Tempus Fugit... Warm Wet Circles (you figure it out - and get back to me, man) Article: 19197 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!peer.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.insnet.net!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: Question about Lazy Points Plugin Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <318FFC01.7A42@realtime.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:38:32 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: shf@netcom18.netcom.com Ben Frech writes: | I got LW5 in the mail this weekend... its AWSOME! I have one question... | how can you change the "laziness" of the Lazy Points plugin? I tried | changing the options... it says the plugin has no interface... TIA. You can try editing the value in the scene file. The default is 0.25 and the units are seconds per meter I think. Lazy Points is a example from the plug-in SDK and is therefore more interesting for how it works rather than what it does. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" Article: 19198 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews2.nwnet.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!news From: johan@studio42.se (Johan Steen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Once & for all does AmigaLW5 fully support CybGFX ? Date: 9 May 1996 17:38:30 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1044.6703T1165T2480@studio42.se> References: <31917FFB.5892@hypertec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: aristotle.algonet.se NNTP-Posting-User: aab2baa1b8cae607f X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* >Once & for all does AmigaLW5 fully support CybGFX ? >I mean everything, including anim and surface previews. >Does anybody know ? I certainly hope so, it's not that hard to make proper screenmode handling on the Amiga. Write an email to tech@newtek.com and demand it. +--------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+ | __ | | using | | /// 3D Artist | | Amiga4000T/060 - 42mb RAM | |__ /// Special FX | Johan Steen/STUDIO 42 | VLab Motion <-> Toccata | |\\\/// Film/Video | Gothenburg,Sweden | Picasso2 - FastLaneZ3 | | \XX/ Programmer | | RapidFire - 6.6gb HD - CD | | | | Tapestreamer. | +--------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+ | http://www.studio42.se <-- Interested in 3D Gfx/Video Editing/SpecialFX? | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Article: 19199 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!oce.nl!not-for-mail!news From: pfrencke@mail.dds.nl (Pascal Frencken) Subject: Have a question about the LightWave mailing list X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc3-alh Message-ID: <3191c091.73083369@nntp01> Sender: news@oce.nl (The Daily News @ nntp01.oce.nl) Reply-To: pfrencke@mail.dds.nl Organization: Oce Nederland B.V. - Research & Development X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.201 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:55:00 GMT Lines: 8 I want to unsubscribe from the LightWave mailing list, does anybody know how to do this? e-mail me, or just respond to this thread. Thanks, Pascal Article: 19200 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!news From: Cam Wilson Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: 9 May 1996 13:25:22 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4msro2$lra@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca> References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4lq803$kjt@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1996Apr27.223518@cantva> <318680f5.2932720@news> <199 NNTP-Posting-Host: bmerhdf.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/712) X-URL: news:vulpine-0905961032350001@wonderland.zikzak.net Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91099 comp.graphics.animation:35426 rec.games.design:16182 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19200 vulpine@zikzak.net (Trevor Powell) wrote: >People are misunderstanding my statements.. You can certainly get artwork >out of programs like 3d Studio and VistaPro. It's a case of "Garbage in, >garbage out". It's simply that VistaPro has raised the "mirror-ball" >level, so that a prettier grade of garbage can be generated with no human >thought, skill, dedication, or insight. sure, but the pretty garbage will still be blown out of the water by the good art and design by the true artists (good ones, that is). -- Cam Wilson * camw@nortel.ca La Villa... Tempus Fugit... Warm Wet Circles (you figure it out - and get back to me, man) Article: 19201 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 9 May 1996 11:06:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 52 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mtc6b$am1@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mqss1$nvm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Bill Leonard wrote: : In article <4mqss1$nvm@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jbooth411@aol.com : (JBooth411) wrote: : > Hey guys, remember, Bill is a Mac user, who as far as I recall doesn't : > even use lightwave, so what would he know? : Yep, that's right... a Mac user... and an SGI user... no need to be a LW : looser, er, I mean, user. Plently of other excellent software out there. : Steph summed it up best when he said that there is enough lacking in LW to : make it not cost effective in a production environment, due to the : necessary workarounds. Hmmm. Not exactly my conclusion. It isn't cost effective when specific features in Alias and even SI or Prisms either allows you to do things you can't in LW, or things that require many steps that only require one in the high end programs. Or things that require NURBS or other types of patches that would be tens of millions of polys in LW. I'm not impressed with the character animation I've seen from Vinton so far, but they *are* a little new at the CGI kind. LW works best at what it's been doing most on TV: Space ships and environments. I'm sure it will evolve as Alias and SI evolved, when character animation at a certain quality level becomes a common and even dominant use. Also, with SI on NT, LW will get more feedback from people familiar with features they'd never even heard of before. I'm not saying LW isn't cost effective in production environments, only those in which the LW user has no influence over what type of job they will take. : > Jason Booth : > Second Nature, Inc. : > "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE : > RICH!!!!" : Bill Leonard - bill_l@magicnet.net : cyber.lab g.f.x. : Orlando, Florida -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19202 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW is an Island Date: 9 May 1996 14:12:37 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mtcil$lv5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4msga5$dbb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Everyone at an individual level at NewTek is a good person, and has the best intentions at heart. ------------------------------------------------ Well, not everyone. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19203 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in action Date: 9 May 1996 14:14:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mtclg$m0r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31920C10.583D@origin.ea.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com -------------------- -nothing personal, eh? -------------------- NOTHING personal against Ron - his talent is beyond question, and everyone knows who he is for good reason. He broke ground in CG and LightWave, and he continues to by producing TV series. But I see 8 GRILLION spaceships that look like Ron's, but not as good. That's inevitable, I guess, and certainly not Ron's fault. In fact, it shows what an influentual artist he is. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too." Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm Article: 19204 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: Ken Robertson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:25:26 -0700 Organization: Velocity Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31922A86.6E2F@hooked.net> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> <4mmnmh$4pj@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <318FC3ED.2AC1@osu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.113.230.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35429 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19204 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16386 Not to be a fuddy-duddy, but it strikes me that no matter what the hardware/software package is, or how much it costs, it's the animator that makes the program attractive, not the other way around. I feel reasonably sure that there are some people out there doing great animation on very low-end hardware with low-end software. No software has ever (or likely will ever) be able to do everything that it's competitors do. There never will be a hardware platform that performs like everyone wants it to for the cost everyone wants to pay. What matters is the results an animator can produce with whatever tools he/she has at their disposal. Ken Robertson Article: 19205 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!marbls.enet.dec.com!leimberger From: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0 Date: 9 May 1996 18:28:51 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4mtdh3$elk@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> References: <4m0g1q$bpg@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <3184D1DA.2C2C@cyberoptics.com> <4m5sa6$73@nntpa.cb.att.com> <4m6hit$i3r@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4m8473$5ho@nntpa.cb.att.com> <4mdnor$4km@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <4mleb8$126@nntpa.cb.att.com> Reply-To: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: marbls.enet.dec.com |>BTW, we had to delay production of the "MacroForm It!" e-zine but don't |>worry; we will resume production on it and our web page as soon as we get |>MacroForm 2.0 out the door. (You'll be able to access "MacroForm It!" from |>our One And Only Media web site to get new LW/MacroForm tutorial, tip, and |>hints) |> |>Enjoy MacroForm! |> |>-Lyle Milton |>-One And Only Media |> |> Lyle, Will 2.0 be available for the Amiga ? When ? and what is planned for upgrading ? -bill +-------------------------------+ | Bill Leimberger | | | |leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com | +-------------------------------+ Article: 19206 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!oleum.zso.dec.com!chen From: chen@oleum.zso.dec.com (Chao Chen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3 Date: 9 May 1996 19:05:56 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mtfmk$jt2@usenet.pa.dec.com> References: <4mrt2l$5lg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oleum.zso.dec.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Stranahan (stranahan@aol.com) wrote: : Well, the word us that DEC wants to really push Alpha as a desktop : system....the prices will drop, but a big system for LW will still be a : little pricey - Memory and speed concerns.....still, $6000 will buy you a : lot of workstation most likely FYI, Digital's Alpha XL 300 should be shipping or is shipping by now. The Alpha XL 300 is a 21164 based system running at 300MHz. The cost of a entry system (I believe 32MB, 1GB SCSI II, monitor, keyboard, mouse, NT etc.) is about $8500. A 366 MHz version will be released later in the year for about $10k. (Third party vendors may sell these systems for cheaper). Not the $6000 price but getting closer. For more info, you can look at Digtial's web page (www.digital.com). Chao Article: 19207 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!warrenv From: warrenv@convex.com (Warren Vosper) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Followup-To: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Date: 9 May 1996 19:20:48 GMT Organization: Convex Technology Center of Hewlett Packard, Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4mtgig$740@newshost.convex.com> References: <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mqo99$sqm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mikey.convex.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35432 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19207 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16389 Steph Greenberg (steph@primenet.com) wrote: : Warren Vosper wrote: : : Steph Greenberg (steph@primenet.com) wrote: : : : Um, yes and no. The *chip* is faster, but I'm not sure if any of the Alphas : : : has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer clock : : : cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of all : : : that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the difference : : : when interacting with large scenes. : : DEC's unix OS has been 64 bit since the alpha was introduced. : DEC's unix OS isn't Windows NT, is it? no, and SGI's unix isn't NT either is it? but it is 64 bit. you didn't specify you were talking about NT in the above quote were you? : Also, most of the Alpha machines people are discussing on this list : are not DECs, and they're PCI based to boot. huh? I wasn't aware of another company selling a machine called the 'Alpha` other than DEC (Digital Equipment Corp). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= warren vosper HP-Convex Technology Center warrenv@convex.com 3000 Waterview Parkway (214)497-4928 Richardson, TX 75080 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Article: 19208 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!usenet From: Angelito So Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Win95 and NTavi Crash. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 16:23:55 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3192545B.5505@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.84.208.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) To: lightwave@tomahawk.grandi.com Hi there everyone. A while ago I reported a bug in LW 4 that cause the Newtek AVI to crash under Windows95 if the scene contained an enveloped lens flare. I found that this problem still exists in Lightwave 5.0. Now I have just upgraded my old 486dx33 to an AMD486dx120 and put Lightwave on there the other day to test out its speed and noticed that the lens flare bug did not crash layout. It actually worked perfectly. I now suspect that the problem on my Pentium computer is the fact that I originally installed Windows 95 on top of the win 3.1. Unlike my 486 which was just completely reformatted and reinstalled with win95. Now why am I writing this? Well I am willing to reformat my Windows Drive and reinstall win95 but only if this is true. So if anyone out there has Newtek-AVI working with lens flare envelopes under win 95 could you please email me privately so I can ask you a few questions? Thanks in advance. -- ***************************************************************************** E-Mail: lito@panix.com http://www.panix.com/~lito "Thats a feature, not a bug!" ***************************************************************************** Article: 19209 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.icanect.net!ascend01-48 From: kombat@icanect.net (Robert Bodek) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: FS:Perception Video Board Date: Thu, 09 May 96 20:25:07 GMT Organization: Internet Communications of America, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4mtk60$m9k@news.icanect.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ascend01-48.icanect.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 I have a Perception Video Board for sale. It is the PVR-2500, so if you want to do video capture, you'll need to buy the optional daughter card. The warranty registration card has not been filled out yet, so you can register it to yourself and get support from Digital without a problem. All documentation is included in the original package. The price is $1600. E-mail me if interested. Or call me at: (305) 864-3080 kombat@icanect.net (Robert Bodek) Article: 19210 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.digex.net!usenet From: davep@access.digex.net (Dave Paige) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: MGA Impression Plus ,NT,LW5 & OpenGL Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 20:57:30 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31925be2.152818251@news.digex.net> References: <4moplc$3ul@mackrel.fishnet.net> <4mt4c0$co1@news.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dcc11780.slip.digex.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 what@do.you.want. (Mack) wrote: >if you have true open gl in you software and the open gl installed in your >version of nt (service pack 2 and above i think, and definately pack 3), >the matrox will accelerate at up to 800x 600 16 bit colour with it's most >recent driver. > Open GL is available in Windows NT with or without any service packs. It's even available in version 3.5. There are other good reasons for installing the service packs though, and the latest service pack is 4. Dave Paige Alfheim Imaging dave@access.digex.net Article: 19211 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!pixelfx.demon.co.uk From: Mal@pixelfx.demon.co.uk (Malcolm Lavery) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Has AMIGA been sold again? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 20:43:02 GMT Lines: 58 Message-ID: <2577.6703T1281T2045@pixelfx.demon.co.uk> References: <31914c21.64924023@news.iserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pixelfx.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pixelfx.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* On 09-May-96 01:42:56, the dood Rex said about Re: Has AMIGA been sold again?: Hi Rex..... >>On 30-Apr-96 10:27:51, the dood Gaven Eogan said about Re: Has AMIGA been s >>again?: >> >>>>>>What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable bo >>>>>>manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter? >> >>>>It might matter to both of the remaining Amiga users. >> >>> Comments like that are beginning to piss me off... >> >>> There are alot more Amiga owners and Amigas in use than there are >>> Silicon Graphics owners, or Sun workstation owners, or NT owners... >> >>> I would really like to tell you where to go with your snide and elitist >>> comment but netiquette prevents me from using such four letter words... >> >>Well said that man!. >> >>Was it not the Amiga that gave birth to Lightwave?. > Let it die man, I had 2-2000's a 030 2500, a 3000 and a 4000 > w/toaster. I've sold them all except for one remaining 2000. > (and a few thousand games) and we don't even use it for that anymore. > It was the best - but over a year of no machines and little support > has let it fallin way back. I'm not a PC user (again) left PC's for > graphics! (amiga's) back in late 80's... with the great cdrom games > and hi res 16.8 million color graphics cards now available - the best > games are once again on PC - as is Lightwave. It runs faster and I can > run it in extreme high res. I can also render frames of anims into > AVI movies (which are limited only by my HD space) not the amount of > ram I have (like on my old toaster4000 system). Using ULEADS video > studio I can add transitions, fades, cuts, sound - all sync'ed with > the video. I can play if via my video-artist card (Reveal) and play > the anims full screen out to composite or s-vhs video. I didn't like > it any more then you do - but let's face it - the amiga's dead meat. > The only way it will come back is if some agressive company buys the > rights to it and markets it back into the lime light. (but don't count > on it). > I really don't miss them, the PC's are crankin... I have two-100 mhz > pentiums, 16 megs in ea. (soon 32 in this one) I have 4 meg diamond > stealth vram cards in em, 16 bit strereo sound, and the two are > networked together. (great for 2 player gaming!) The PC has finally > surpassed the ole amiga. A shame - but true. Hey!, Your very right!, I will be getting a powerfull PC in the near future, once I get royalties comming in from my 3D/bitmap graphics. But I will still be keeping my Amiga 060, for bitmap work etc. Cya!... -- Mal!! :) Article: 19212 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!gatech!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: edreams@mindspring.com (Scott Bragg) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave for Mac / PPC NT? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 20:55:37 GMT Organization: Electron Dreams Animation and Multimedia Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4mtmbn$1a82@mule2.mindspring.com> References: <4l8uvt$qvv@islandnet.com> <4leao8$c4n@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <317EB8C1.7433@montreal.com> <317F7558.29D5@ademco.com> Reply-To: edreams@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mirror.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Ken Geary wrote: >> >> Personally, I like Windows NT. Okay, It's not as user friendly as Windows 95, but once it's set up, you >> can't crash it... And you still can't do pre-emptive multitasking like NT can on a Mac. And you can't run >> Mac-OS on a 366 Mhz Dec Alpha... >> >> Jean-Eric-------- >You can't crash WindowsNT? you're not trying hard enough. We just installed NT in lieu of Win95 on the 8 machines in my office. Though it runs a little sluggish in the current 16meg, it's a hell of a lot more stable than win95. I know this discussion isn't really on topic, but by convincing my boss to go with NT, I've now convinced him to upgrade us all to 32meg and then allow me to run Lightwave on the NT machines on the LAN. :) Couldn't have done that with the Mac. I own an NT box, an Amiga, a Mac, and a nice Unix/X box. I use them all for what they do best. My wife uses the Mac for her Multimedia work and the Unix box for Internet related activities. Each machine has strenghts and weaknesses. No OS is perfect. Be proficient in all of them then you don't have anything to complain about. :) Scott Bragg Article: 19213 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW vs Alias Date: 9 May 1996 17:17:57 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 21 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mtne5$pja@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Bill embarasses himself by saying: >no need to be a LW looser, er, I mean, user. It would be "loser", by the way. LIGHTWAVE "YOU MAKE THE CALL!" Digtial Domain seems to thinks that LightWave is cost effective enough to use on films. Bill, guy who likes to be condescending and arrogant in Florida says it isn't. Now, which would I believe? YOU MAKE THE CALL! --Brian --Brian ====== http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/ ====== == Home of the rather large and mostly complete == ===== LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists ===== Article: 19214 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 17:18:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 18 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mtnfb$pk4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mt2cm$co1@news.nstn.ca> Reply-To: virtualbri@aol.com (VirtualBri) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35438 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19214 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16396 Mack proves he has no idea what he is talking about: >You get what you pay for. The Lightwave users for TV effects and the like are >using custom and upgraded versions of Lightwave costing ten thousand dollars >and more. running on expensive hardware. the modeling is rarely done in >software, but digitized like most highend models. No, they are using Beta versions of software, which show features we see in about 6 months to a year. The computers it runs on I could by off the shelf. And many of the models are constructed by very talented artists. Please, learn something about LightWave before commenting like this. --Brian ====== http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/ ====== == Home of the rather large and mostly complete == ===== LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists ===== Article: 19215 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miwok!bdt.com!news.ossi.com!pagesat.net!cg57.esnet.com!torment!mad From: mad@torment.tmisnet.com (Mark Dunakin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LW Pro :) Message-ID: Date: 9 May 96 13:33:41 PST Organization: Tierra-Miga BBS Lines: 6 I just got the latest issue of LW Pro today. It's the March issue. It's shows some stuff that you can do with the Cel Shader. I can't wait to get to try out some of this stuff..........md p.s.Just one question, when do ya think the April and May issues will come out? Article: 19216 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: wmendez@ix.netcom.com(William A. Mendez ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT3.51 File Mgr & LW4.0 Date: 9 May 1996 03:38:52 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4mrpcc$pbm@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> References: <4mq6v1$mo@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-jc7-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 08 10:38:52 PM CDT 1996 In <4mq6v1$mo@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> lensman@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Meyers) writes: > >Hi all. At first I thought this was off topic but maybe not. I have a >single P-133 w/ NT3.51 workstation w/ Perception & P: w/ system HD >partitioned as C:(FAT) and D:(NTFS). D: is dedicated to only LW >(D:\NEWTEK) and has run fine for months. Suddenly, File Mgr D:\ says NO >FILES. I've done the following: > >VIEW | BY FILE TYPE | set to *.*. >I log on as administrator. >SECURITY | PERMISSIONS | set to Everyone Full Control. >WINDOWS | REFRESH | doesn't help. >D: | FILE | SEARCH | reveals all the files are there. >Lightwave & Modeler run fine. Content Dir. is D:\Newtek. >NT3.51 is only OS. >FILE MGR bottom bar says: 634MB free 800MB total | Total 0 files. >COMMAND PROMPT D:DIR reveals all the files. >COMMAND PROMPT C:DIR D:\ /S reveals all files, Total 3004 files. >DISK | STOP SHARING doesn't help. >I was using LW when I first noticed FILE MGR said NO FILES. > >Could LW somehow be associated with not being able to use FILE MGR to >see the D: files since Newtek all that is in there? > >Do I need to reinstall WINFILE.EXE? > >Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. TM. >Lensman@ix.netcom.com Go into your administrative tools and then disk manager and see what type of info you see about your drive. at file manager go to view/by file type and check to see if all the file types are check off including hidden and system. try going to security and add your user name with full control. Will Mendez Article: 19217 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!marbls.enet.dec.com!leimberger From: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 21:06:41 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4mtmp1$oar@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> <4mmes3$rr4@nntp.crl.com> Reply-To: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: marbls.enet.dec.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35439 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19217 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16397 |>> PCs running WindozeNT replacing UNIX, just what thecomputer industry needs, |>> another market |>> segment dominated by Bill Gates. Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS. |>> |>> -- |>> Ben Cannon. artherd@a.crl.com |>> |> |>I have no love of Bill Gates either, but I don't place SGI or the UNIX OS any |>higher. Actually, Bill Gates is probably about the only one who could afford |>to use an SGI. And how evil is SGI? After all, as soon as they bought out |>Alias they scuttled the Alias NT port AFTER IT WAS ALREADY DONE just because |>they wanted to protect their doomed computer market. |> |>-- |> -=Fred=- |> |> I have to agree with Fred. NT is gaining market share pretty fast. As for it being a toy, next to IRIX/Unix ect, I don't see the logic in that statement. My only problem with NT is that it is resource hungry, and coming from the Amiga that is a concern. I use VMS every day and NEVER have a problem. The same person that developed VMS did NT. Once you get past memory protection, multitasking, multithreading, portability, security, networking,and your stable it is only a matter of drivers. The Acceptance NT has gathered would tend to indicate that this should be no problem. Not to mention the number of platforms NT is moving to. -bill Article: 19218 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: edreams@mindspring.com (Scott Bragg) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: WinNT Optimization for Lightwave Use Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 21:15:58 GMT Organization: Electron Dreams Animation and Multimedia Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4mtnhs$q86@mule1.mindspring.com> Reply-To: scott@electrondreams.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mirror.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Having just inherited (grin) 8 WinNT Pentium 100 systems for my office at work, I have been tasked with getting them optimized as much as possible for Lightwave and other graphics use. We're running a very few 16bit apps, but can't give them up. Any suggestions on what I can do to make these machines a little meaner and leaner would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Scott Bragg Article: 19219 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip18-088.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: How much does LW cost in the States? Date: 9 May 1996 14:39:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 32 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <1996May9.183545@cantva> X-Posted-By: ip18-088.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <1996May9.183545@cantva> misc335@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes: >From: misc335@csc.canterbury.ac.nz >Subject: How much does LW cost in the States? >Date: 9 May 96 18:35:45 +1200 >On the suspicion that our local dealer has been er, liberal with his price >markups, I'd like to find out what LW costs in the states. So, how much for: >LW4.0 (before 5.0 was released)? $775 - $800 >Upgrade to 5.0? $450 - $475 >And I'd also like to know if there is/are/will be any of the following: >Crossgrade from Amiga 4.0 to PC 5.0 while keeping use of Amiga version? >crossgrade offer from Amiga 5.0 to PC 5.0, keeping use of Amiga? I dunno. 5.0 new is $1150 - 1200 These are mail order prices. I would expect a local dealer to charge at least 10-20% more. >Thanks for any help Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19220 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: wmendez@ix.netcom.com(William A. Mendez ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW5.0, do I need NT 3.51? Date: 9 May 1996 03:41:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4mrphr$lfl@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-jc7-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 08 10:41:47 PM CDT 1996 In Des McPherson writes: > >Do I need NT 3.51 to take advantage of the OpenGL stuff in 5.0 or will >my 3.50 be ok. > you do need 3.51, 3.5 does not include OpenGL. You can get a stepup upgrade for fairly cheep these days. Will Mendez Article: 19221 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!unicorn.demon.co.uk From: Rafe Purnell Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 22:01:14 +0000 Organization: Unicorn Glade Lines: 10 Sender: Rafe Purnell Message-ID: References: <4mro1u$9b9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: darkeye@unicorn.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Virtual Access by Ashmount Research Ltd, http://www.ashmount.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19221 comp.graphics.animation:35443 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16400 Fair comment, but save the english lesson. Everyone makes mistakes. Even you. Look back through this thread, but nobody said a thing ! Regards Darkeye. Article: 19222 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!unicorn.demon.co.uk From: Rafe Purnell Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 22:01:16 +0000 Organization: Unicorn Glade Lines: 13 Sender: Rafe Purnell Message-ID: References: <4mqo99$sqm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: darkeye@unicorn.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Virtual Access by Ashmount Research Ltd, http://www.ashmount.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19222 comp.graphics.animation:35444 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16401 No ! The alpha will run NT. The unix was a conversion of Ultrix, when it was first written (can't remember then version number) and got developed from there. Regards Darkeye. Article: 19223 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!unicorn.demon.co.uk From: Rafe Purnell Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 22:01:17 +0000 Organization: Unicorn Glade Lines: 4 Sender: Rafe Purnell Message-ID: References: Reply-To: darkeye@unicorn.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Virtual Access by Ashmount Research Ltd, http://www.ashmount.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19223 rec.games.programmer:91125 comp.graphics.animation:35445 rec.games.design:16189 Here Here ! Article: 19224 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!unicorn.demon.co.uk From: Rafe Purnell Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 22:01:13 +0000 Organization: Unicorn Glade Lines: 14 Sender: Rafe Purnell Message-ID: References: <4mlrcr$f33@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: darkeye@unicorn.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Virtual Access by Ashmount Research Ltd, http://www.ashmount.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19224 comp.graphics.animation:35446 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16402 With 3DStudio 4 and Lightwave and Imagine 4.0 I would choose Imagine, but I have stopped using it cause of the grief with not being able to run with windows. After hitting and getting past that learning curve it is as good and I feel easier. If only I could jump between Photoshop etc and Imagine without shutting down, and render accross a network then I would be a happy puppy. Until Imagine for Windows comes my way I will stick with Lightwave. Regards Darkeye. Article: 19225 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip18-088.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 9 May 1996 15:24:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 32 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <318C7D1C.1DD5@pilot.msu.edu> <1865.6701T233T562@mbox200.swip X-Posted-By: ip18-088.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4ms1c6$qsg@easy1.worldaccess.nl> rdijk@worldaccess.nl (Rene van Dijk) writes: >From: rdijk@worldaccess.nl (Rene van Dijk) >Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack >Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 06:51:59 GMT >>>I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost" >>>of the dongle, I still buy LW. I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use >>>dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user. When I look at >>>what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people >>>get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel >>>port. >>What's wrong with a switchbox? >Why should I pay more for their protection problem. Because it is your problem as well IF you want to use LightWave. If NewTek can't make the necessary money on LW, then there is no LW. Then you get to spend $3000 on MAX and STILL you get to fiddle with a dongle. Users pay the costs of a software company doing business - one way or the other. I'm still baffled why the money cost of a switchbox or additional parallel port bothers people this much. It seems to me that reliability and IRQ availability are much more significant issues. In a $3000-4000 setup, I just don't see why $30 or so matters much. Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19226 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.digex.net!usenet From: gandalf@access.digex.net (Eric J Fleischer, MD) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: FS: Intel Lightwave Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 22:25:03 GMT Organization: AlfHeim Imaging Lines: 20 Message-ID: <31927038.2148909@news.digex.net> References: <4lfks0$hhq@CurlyJoe.spacestar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bac12766.slip.digex.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 pgprod@news.spacestar.com (Paul Goor) wrote: >I also have a DPS Vector Scope $400.00 > >Paul >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul Goor pgprod@spacestar.com Friendly Fridley, Minnesota Sorry to post this to the list, but three tries to EMail bounced over a week. Paul, I am interested in the VScope. - Dr Gandalf - Eric J Fleischer, MD AlfHeim Imaging gandalf@access.digex.net DrGandalf@cup.portal.com Article: 19227 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: gregtee@ix.netcom.com(William Teegarden) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 04:28:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4mrs8k$3gg@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <4mlgjf$rkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4mlp8i$mm4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mm0dc$7uo@news1.io.org> <31913eb2.6430666@news.ftech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lax-ca11-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 08 11:28:04 PM CDT 1996 Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35447 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19227 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16403 ---> After all if SGI >can produce machines that are significantly faster than the rest of >the bunch, with software that takes advantage of the extra >performance, then someone's going to buy them for twice the >performance/dollar ratio, if only because they're 'top of the range'.<--- The problem is that they can't produce machines that are significantly faster than the NT machines, because some of the NT machines are already significantly faster than their top of the line workstations. The R10000 is almost exactly HALF the speed of DEC's EV5-6. By year's end, there should be one out that's twice as fast again as that. GT Article: 19228 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip18-088.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack Date: 9 May 1996 15:53:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 50 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: <4lpa56$num@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4luhbe$18b@news.accessone.com> <4mh1iv$80q@ddi2.digital.net> <4mrkhj$99e@ddi2.digital.net> X-Posted-By: ip18-088.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4mrkhj$99e@ddi2.digital.net> artiste1@ix.netcom.com (Larry J. Jacobs) writes: >From: artiste1@ix.netcom.com (Larry J. Jacobs) >Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack >Date: 9 May 1996 02:16:19 GMT >>You >>have no non-dongled 3D programs listed (unless you have Corel 6.0 and its >>included Corel Dream package). >> >>I agree that a more elegant solution is needed. >> >> >> >>Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com >>Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber >>http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber >Walter, >Yes I have Corel 6.0, I also have Truespace 2.0 & Imagine 4.0 (just ordered >Imagine for Windows). None of these programs have Dongles. Granted these >programs don't cost thousands of dollars, but it doesn't mean they aren't >valuable or pirated. In fact probably the most pirated program ever is/was >DOS and it is very inexpensive (comparatively speaking). So - you are making my point for me. Copy protection is less useful for programs that are relatively inexpensive and have a broad user base. Imagine 4.0 and Truespace 2.0 aren't in the same price/use league as LightWave. >I just feel the animation software providers (and others) are taking the easy >way out to protect their software and it's at the expense of the honest user. >I'm annoyed but just don't know what to do about it 'cept bitch. Believe me >if Imagine improves it's user interface a bit (the function is definitely >there & the price is right) the rest of the over-priced DONGLED crap will >end up in the trash. That will be my simple statement. I also have Imagine 4.0 and have all the verions since the first release on the PC. It has some very good points, but it doesn't even come close to LW for day to day production use. I am curious about what you think of the Windows Version. Drop me a note when you get it in. Even at $1500, I consider LW to be bargain priced. >Larry J. Jacobs >Arts & Algorithms >Tampa, FL 33635 Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19229 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!steph From: Steph Greenberg Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks. Date: 9 May 1996 15:53:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 55 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mtt0e$5p6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4mmtbh$o5i@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mobr9$d92@newshost.convex.com> <4mqo99$sqm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4mtgig$740@newshost.convex.com> X-Posted-By: steph@usr3.primenet.com Xref: news2.cais.com comp.graphics.animation:35448 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19229 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:16405 Warren Vosper wrote: : Steph Greenberg (steph@primenet.com) wrote: : : Warren Vosper wrote: : : : Steph Greenberg (steph@primenet.com) wrote: : : : : Um, yes and no. The *chip* is faster, but I'm not sure if any of the Alphas : : : : has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer clock : : : : cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of all : : : : that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the difference : : : : when interacting with large scenes. : : : DEC's unix OS has been 64 bit since the alpha was introduced. : : DEC's unix OS isn't Windows NT, is it? : no, and SGI's unix isn't NT either is it? but it : is 64 bit. you didn't specify you were talking about NT in : the above quote were you? Let me specify, 64 bit bus, and the OS that the software will run on, which is NT. How's that. An Alpha machine running NT is at a disadvantage both to its native own flavor of unix and SGI's IRIX. : : Also, most of the Alpha machines people are discussing on this list : : are not DECs, and they're PCI based to boot. : huh? I wasn't aware of another company selling a machine : called the 'Alpha` other than DEC (Digital Equipment Corp). Than you are sorely uninformed. Many companies are using DEC Alpha based machines, and models I can think of are Raptor3, Carrera, and Alpine, but I know there are more. Alpha is the name of the chip, it may also be a name for a machine from DEC. When we say Alpha machines, we are talking about Alpha chip based machines. Better? : : -- : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : warren vosper HP-Convex Technology Center : warrenv@convex.com 3000 Waterview Parkway : (214)497-4928 Richardson, TX 75080 : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon, steph@primenet.com Chiropracter, and Podiatrist. Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages. Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19230 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!ip18-088.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: NT Server problems? Date: 9 May 1996 16:00:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 30 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: References: X-Posted-By: ip18-088.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article mad@torment.tmisnet.com (Mark Dunakin) writes: >From: mad@torment.tmisnet.com (Mark Dunakin) >Subject: Re: NT Server problems? >Date: 8 May 96 22:04:40 PST >On Wed 8-May-1996 2:25p, Ken Geary wrote: >KG> I am looking into setting up an NT SERVER workstation to run LW, etc. >KG> The main idea is "easy" networking to an existing PowerMac(ethernet). >KG> Are there any performance hits to using Server as a graphics workstation? >KG> Can I access the Mac files as shared directories, or is it a one-way >KG> deal? I just found out that the Appletalk protocol on NT Workstation is >KG> unusable and only there for developers. >----- >Just so you know, everyone I talked to didn't seem to have a clue about >ethernetting with a Mac. But, it can be done and with ease. I have an Alpha >system and a PowerMac and they both talk pretty darn good. What ended up being >the deal, was that I needed a hub between the two machines. And everyone said >that that wasn't nessisary, but they were wrong!...After spending a whole >month trying to figure things out, I finally did it. As far as the to machines >talking to eachother, NO PROBLEM :) .......If you have anymore questions about >this, just let me know?.......MD Since you are using a hub, I assume that you are using Twisted Pair (10baseT) cables. My guess is that you could have avoided the expense of a hub by making a "reversed" Twisted Pair cable. The other way might have been to go with coax (10base5). Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Studio 522 Productions |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber http://www.studio522.com |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber Article: 19231 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!news From: chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing Date: Thu, 9 May 96 18:45:31 Organization: NewTek Technical Support Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <19960509.77E4690.10DE2@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.newtek.com On Wed 8-May-1996 19:12 , VirtualBri wrote: V> >With the original page, the folks who were doing the programming (we V> weren't V> >doing much of it in-house) were unable to implement linking to our FTP V> site; V> NewTek's FTP site V> Um, OK, what was unimplementable about that? Interesting.... V> --Brian Good question. We wondered, too, since it worked fine when we did it here. . ======================================================================== Chuck Baker | TekWorld: NewTek Tech Support BBS Technical Support Online Services | telnet address: bbs.newtek.com NewTek, Inc. | modem ports: 913-271-9299 ======================================================================== CompuServe: Go AmigaVend, NewTek; DTVForum, NewTek; GUGRPA, LightWave UG AOL: Keyword NewTek Email: Tech@newtek.com ======================================================================== Article: 19232 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!news From: chuck@bbs.newtek.com (Chuck Baker) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE 5.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 96 18:49:19 Organization: NewTek Technical Support Lines: 50 Distribution: world Message-ID: <19960509.77DF2A0.10C62@bbs.newtek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.newtek.com On Sun 5-May-1996 20:05 , Gord Davison wrote: GD> I know I'm pushing my luck here, since LW is a very good value for the GD> money, GD> but is there a competitve upgrade offer from other competing packages? My GD> company GD> has a few licenses of "other" 3D software [as well as several LW GD> licenses], so GD> I was just wondering. To quote the appropriate sections of our new price list: LW500xx-cu LightWave 3D 5.0, Competitive Upgrade $ 895.00 xx=platform See qualifications** (available for Intel, DEC Alpha, MIPS, Amiga) LW500xx/n LightWave 3D Site Licenses, base price Call NewTek xx=platform available for Amiga, Intel, DEC Alpha, MIPS Sales n=number of licenses ** Competitive Upgrade: Packages eligible for competitive upgrade include 3D Studio, Alias, WaveFront, TrueSpace, Crystal Topas, SoftImage, Strata Studio Pro, Electric Image, Imagine 4.0. Title Page and serial number required. Prices and specifications are subject to change without notice. For a Dealer nearest you, call 1-800-TOASTER or 1-800-847-6111 (913-228-8000, outside the USA). Check your nearest Dealer for products and upgrade pricing and discounts. EMAIL ordering (upgrades): customerservice@newtek.com Dealer/Distributorship info: 1-800-368-5441 (913-228-8000) or email: sales@newtek.com (US and Canada) isales@newtek.com (International) NewTek, Inc. 1200 SW Executive Drive Topeka, KS 66615 . ======================================================================== Chuck Baker | TekWorld: NewTek Tech Support BBS Technical Support Online Services | telnet address: bbs.newtek.com NewTek, Inc. | modem ports: 913-271-9299 ======================================================================== CompuServe: Go AmigaVend, NewTek; DTVForum, NewTek; GUGRPA, LightWave UG AOL: Keyword NewTek Email: Tech@newtek.com ======================================================================== Article: 19233 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.aus.sig.net!news From: Chipp Walters Subject: Re: Polygon reduction plug-in X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lap1.humancode.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Bill Hrgtn Message-ID: <31925D61.40CF@humancode.com> Sender: news@sig.net (Signet ISP Network news) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Human Code References: <3190D39C.74E8@inetnebr.com> <4msf4n$ckv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:02:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 15 Bill Hrgtn wrote: > > Did I remember seeing someone mention that 5.0 has a poly reduction > plug-in??? I could really use that right now. That alone would be worth > the upgrade price. > > Anybody try it yet?? How does it work? > > BillBill, Got LW5.0 yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to find the much need coplanar reduction capabilities of the polygon reduction plug-in. It works great with MetaForm and MetaNurbs to essentially merge all polygons that are coplanar...and it's fast. -Chipp Walters Human Code Article: 19234 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!bone.think.com!blanket.mitre.org!sed.psrw.com!psinntp !psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!usenet From: mikeling@nyc.pipeline.com(Michael C. Ling) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: How do I manually split a 3 point polygon? Date: 9 May 1996 19:23:29 GMT Organization: Pipeline Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4mtgnh$3ih@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.8.150.2 X-PipeUser: mikeling X-PipeHub: nyc.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Michael C. Ling) X-Newsreader: Pipeline v3.5.0 How do I manually split a 3 point polygon? The automatic spliting sometimes splits the polygon against the contour I am working on. -- M C L - Article: 19235 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!bone.think.com!blanket.mitre.org!sed.psrw.com!psinntp !psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!usenet From: mikeling@nyc.pipeline.com(Michael C. Ling) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Unclean Boolean unions. Date: 9 May 1996 19:29:56 GMT Organization: Pipeline Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4mth3k$3tg@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.8.150.2 X-PipeUser: mikeling X-PipeHub: nyc.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Michael C. Ling) X-Newsreader: Pipeline v3.5.0 When I joined my chest and abdomen objects together, the seam between the joined parts was jagged. Also the seam would not dissappear with smoothing. Also with some operations polygons would dissappear. Any suggestions? -- M C L - Article: 19236 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aq722 From: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Has AMIGA been sold again? Date: 10 May 1996 00:29:53 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4mu2m1$o06@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <4m4pv7$ihn@web3.tcd.ie> <705.6694T1328T1581@pixelfx.demon.co.uk> <31914c21.64924023@news.iserv.net> Reply-To: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, $In_God_we_Trust$@but_not_in_our_schools? (Rex) says: >AVI movies (which are limited only by my HD space) not the amount of >ram I have (like on my old toaster4000 system). Using ULEADS video To be fair Amigas can do this too, its just that you need to pay dearly for the ability. (Unlike what the Amiga fanatics will tell you most stock Amigas are NOT fast enough do do this)/ > do - but let's face it - the amiga's dead meat. Not to mention that for every month that Newtek keeps prolonging the Amiga's agony, its another month that those same resources could be better spent adding features to the PC version. I mean, lets face it, the Amiga has not got OpenGL, or any of the other modern graphics abilities, and the programs will soon diverge so much as a result that there will be no point to release Amiga versions because the Amiga can't support the new features anyway. In addition, all of their serious user base has moved on, so why continue to spent time and energy on the Amiga? Newtek will have its hands full just trying to compete with the other 3D packages, and they can't afford to support a dead platform. at the same time. Article: 19237 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!xpat.com!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!news.ossi.com!pagesat.net!origin.ea.com!newsmaster From: Robert Baldwin Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:32:12 -0500 Organization: Wacky Ultima Guys @ Origin Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31928E8C.7EA9@origin.ea.com> References: <4mj58u$8n3@hermes.acs.unt.edu> <4mj83e$gui@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4mlgd4$j18@hermes.acs.unt.edu> <4mo15l$1ol@cesium.megatek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbaldwin.origin.ea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) Tom Dawson wrote: > > Hey There! I remember Cubicomp!!! They were cutting edge guys (many > years ago). A better comparison might be VideoScape 3D vs Cubicomp. > But then again, neither of those are around any more..... Ah! But you COULD think of LightWave as kinda like VideoScape V.29341138! I pulled out ProMotion, Vscape, and Model3d not too long ago just to see them again, and modeler's still the same but grey! =) -rob Article: 19238 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: Error 213 starting Modeler 5.0 Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <19960508.7799658.BF99@bbs.newtek.com> Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:08:33 GMT Lines: 36 Sender: shf@netcom22.netcom.com +-- gills@bbs.newtek.com (Todd Gillissie) writes: | Stuart, I'm writing to you about a different problem that Chuck the Sysop said | you ran into also. | | I am getting some rendering "dropout" lines. Horizontal lines randomly | appearing in some of my frames. It seems to be mostly on scenes with a | background picture. Hmmm. The only thing I can think of that I ran into that was even remotely similar was WAY back in version 3.5 when I was working on my film "Titans Eternal." I was getting frames that were becoming noise at some scanline in the image. So the top part of the image was fine and the bottom would be scrambled, with the line between the two at varrying heights. I think it was an IFF encoding problem. | Have you figured this one out? In the meantime, after I single frame all my | frames, I have to look closely at the animation and try to pick out all the | bad frames, re-render them, then individually record them in place of the bad | ones on the tape. | Pain in the butt, huh? I hear you. I was able to pick out some of the bad frames by looking at the file size (it would jump suddenly when the frames contained noise), but mostly I had to make a first recording pass to find the bad frames, re-render them and re-record the whole thing. The problem I had was back in 3.5 in a section of the code which has been largely replaced, so I doubt it's the same thing. A beta-tester was getting single black lines in his images, but I think the problem was traced to a highly experimental plugin he was using. I'm afraid I can't help you directly. You should submit the problem to normal tech support lines. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" Article: 19239 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toastrguy@aol.com (ToastRGuy) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 5.0 is shipping (intel)! Date: 9 May 1996 21:04:10 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mu4ma$18m@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4me71o$gu1@www.gatecom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader We are a dealer in Colorado and have recieved both full and upgrade versions of LightWave 5.0, from our regular distributers. ________________________________________________________________________ Don James The Computer Room Colorado's Desktop Video Specialists 2760 S. Havana St. Aurora, CO 80014 (303) 696-8973 Article: 19240 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: rpowers@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: HollywoodFX w/ Lightwave and Flyer Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 01:27:15 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4mu5v5$103@paraguay.it.earthlink.net> References: <31912ca5.1268547@news2.microserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool039.maxf.los_angeles.ca.us.dynip.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 vidbiz@microserve.net (GBG) wrote: >Has any one tried using HollwoodFX with Lightwave 4.0 and Flyer >Clips.(4.1) >The version I have (1.32) supposedly worked with the Flyer "beta" >release. >I guess with the Amiga downfall the company has since departed........ >Any info..... >George >vidbiz@microserve.net I have used HollywoodFX with Lightwave 4.0 and the Flyer and it works on my system fine. Robert. Article: 19241 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!triton.np.ac.sg!titan.np.ac.sg!glk From: Goh Lian Koon Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: help: export lightwave object to 3ds Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:20:40 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.np.ac.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: glk Hi, I am new to lightwave. Just trying to check out the plugin for exporting *.lwo files to *.3ds format. Somehow, the plugins did not prompt for saveas or file name to export. So how to do it? I am using lightwave 4.0 and according to the manual, there is a export button.. but no no.. there is none in the interface I see. So I suppose the manual is outdated. Please advice. Thanks, Vincent glk@np.ac.sg Article: 19242 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.lightlink.com!news2.interlog.com!news.interlog.com!news From: lightwrx@interlog.com (Steve Bowie) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: UK Software Reviewing Under Fire (Was: journos snubbed again!) Date: 10 May 1996 01:43:22 GMT Organization: InterLog Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1132.6703T1293T1827@interlog.com> References: <4mkqf1$kvj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip203-43.cc.interlog.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.1 (Amiga;TCP/IP beta 5) *UNREGISTERED* >And by the way, only my friends call me snouty. I can see why ;) Seriously tho', folks.... I am involved in the same general area of journalism, at a much less accomplished level than this reviewer (tho' I have had several articles published by UK mags, which by the way are generally much better than their American counterparts in many ways, particularly as regards depth). I have read some of Phil's work, and can only assume that the post referred to missed the mark as an attempt at Trans-Atlantic humor. Regards, Steve __ __/ / / / / Freelance Media Services ____________________________________/ / /_____________________________ | LIGHTWORX ____ / / / | | *graphics & video* \ \ \/ / / "Crystallizing the Spectrum, | | North York, Ontario,CANADA \ \/ / / Realizing the SPECTACULAR!" | | lightwrx@interlog.com \/_/_/ *********** | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 19243 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!newshub.cts.com!cg57.esnet.com!torment!mad From: mad@torment.tmisnet.com (Mark Dunakin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LW 5.0 Docs ? Message-ID: Date: 9 May 96 17:37:42 PST Organization: Tierra-Miga BBS Lines: 6 I was trying to find the plug-in docs on the CD of LW 5.0 but was unable to find them. I guess I'll try looking for them again. I found some stuff, but I wanted to find some docs explaining how each of the different plug-ins work. I was going to print them out and put `em in a folder so as to make for easy refferencing......If someone finds out where to look, i'd sure be happy.... thanx.........md Article: 19244 Path: news2.cais.com!news From: B Hayes Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Docs ? Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:35:51 -0400 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31928157.55DA@pacificnet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-19.pacificnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) To: Mark Dunakin Mark Dunakin wrote: > > I was trying to find the plug-in docs on the CD of LW 5.0 but was unable to > find them. I guess I'll try looking for them again. I found some stuff, but I > wanted to find some docs explaining how each of the different plug-ins work. > I was going to print them out and put `em in a folder so as to make for easy > refferencing......If someone finds out where to look, i'd sure be happy.... > thanx.........md Mark That would be Page 155 for layout and 335 for modeler in the refrence manual. Brad Hayes http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes Article: 19245 Path: news2.cais.com!news From: B Hayes Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Pro :) Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:37:57 -0400 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <319281D5.49D7@pacificnet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-19.pacificnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) Mark Dunakin wrote: > > I just got the latest issue of LW Pro today. It's the March issue. It's shows > some stuff that you can do with the Cel Shader. I can't wait to get to try out > some of this stuff..........md > > p.s.Just one question, when do ya think the April and May issues will come > out? Well let's hope before September! Brad Hayes Article: 19246 Path: news2.cais.com!news From: B Hayes Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: MGA Impression Plus ,NT,LW5 & OpenGL Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:41:22 -0400 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <319282A2.4550@pacificnet.net> References: <4moplc$3ul@mackrel.fishnet.net> <4mt4c0$co1@news.nstn.ca> <31925be2.152818251@news.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-19.pacificnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (WinNT; I) To: Dave Paige Dave Paige wrote: > > what@do.you.want. (Mack) wrote: > > >if you have true open gl in you software and the open gl installed in your > >version of nt (service pack 2 and above i think, and definately pack 3), > >the matrox will accelerate at up to 800x 600 16 bit colour with it's most > >recent driver. > > > > Open GL is available in Windows NT with or without any service packs. > It's even available in version 3.5. > > There are other good reasons for installing the service packs though, > and the latest service pack is 4. > > Dave Paige > Alfheim Imaging > dave@access.digex.net Do I need to install pervious versions of the service pack or can I just jump to #4. By the way your not he same Dave Paige that worked at RTS in Burbank about 7-8 years ago, are you? Brad Hayes Article: 19247 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!ihl.reps.net!news.icix.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!lantana.singnet.com.sg!usenet From: cheers Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Lightwave Classes ??? Date: 10 May 1996 01:54:04 GMT Organization: Singapore Telecom Internet Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4mu7js$h74@lantana.singnet.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts900-5215.singnet.com.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) hi, I am posting this from Singapore and wondering if there is classes held locally on teaching Lightwave3D Cause we might want to move to this area of software ??? pls either Email or page this no. 9-5594902 cheers chng Article: 19248 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.nd.edu!news.bsu.edu!iasmh.bsu.edu!darius From: Shadowbird Newsgroups: rec.games.programmer,comp.graphics.animation,rec.games.design,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Artist Needed for Game Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:28:57 -0500 Organization: Ball State University Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <4lp5e5$ia0@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> <31809A07.59A5@ucla.edu> <4mdmau$cui@news1.mnsinc.com> <318B3F10.3E19@pilot.msu.edu> <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: iasmh.bsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <831597146.14312.16@thurgood.demon.co.uk> Xref: news2.cais.com rec.games.programmer:91153 comp.graphics.animation:35456 rec.games.design:16190 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:19248 On Thu, 9 May 1996, Steve wrote: > Maybe it's just a personal thing, but how come there doesn't seem to be any > really good artists nowadays. Or at least in galleries and such. Half the crap > the have is not art. Whatever anybody says about 'expressing their inner > feelings'. IMHO art is skill in portraying realism. To strive for photorealism. > There are branch-offs like cartoons, which strive for character, and also > require skill, but not as much. I was at an art place and I saw some of L.S > lowry's paintings. A rough pencil drawing of a hand in the water. I mean rough. > The hand was a stick, and the water was a few squiggles. The person has no > artistic talent, but he has art gallery halls dedicated to his work. Wow, your opinions are going to totally shake up the art community as we know it. I understand you completely. I mean, those stupid impressionists just suck, Monet and the whole lot. I can't believe anybody such as Van Gogh could be so untalented as to not paint photorealistic stuff. And don't even get me started on Picasso. I mean, the guy couldn't even get the iris settings on his palette to work---blue period! Pah! So, if one doesn't paint 'photorealism,' then one is not an artist. If one writes anything other than essays, one is not a writer. I can see where photorealism might be something that certain artists (especially those involved in computer graphics) might strive for. And that might be your personal preference. But please don't dismiss everything else as trash. -=-Nighthawk-=- Article: 19249 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cgigroup@aol.com (CGI GROUP) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Benchmarks Date: 9 May 1996 23:09:15 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4muc0r$3sh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4maggv$1hg6@mule2.mindspring.com> Reply-To: cgigroup@aol.com (CGI GROUP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com My P133 with 32 meg. and NT 3.51 is 8 times faster than my 28 Mhz 040. Article: 19250 Path: news2.cais.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news-relay.us.dell.com!news.dell.com!not-for-mail From: pepper@dashi.dell.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Reciprocating Motion? FIXED! Date: 9 May 1996 22:31:46 -0500 Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mudb2$e8e@dashi.dell.com> References: <4mt25j$b60@dashi.dell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dashi.us.dell.com Hello again, I was able to eventually puzzle it out. I was trying to generate the motion from the end that just moved horizontally. After I reset the IK from the end that rotates and locked that to the horizontal (or veritcal) moving null it worked just fine. Ron. In article <4mt25j$b60@dashi.dell.com>, wrote: > Can anybody tell me a good way to set up a reciprocating piston (ie >an engine or train drive wheel)? -- ***===--- Ronald Pepper - pepper@dashi.us.dell.com ---===*** Office: Braker F Server Group Phone: (512) 728-7638 Dell Computer Corporation All opinions are mine alone. Windows NT & UNIX Product Support